New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Theskymarble]

Hey everyone, thread creator here! I haven't posted anything much because I mainly made the thread to not only show my frustrations with what has happen to Hrothgar but to hopefully make it so everyone who did have a problem had a place to go to express frustrations with this... and it worked!! The thread would've probably been created at some point but it doesn't change the fact that not only has this thread become popular enough to get the attention of content creators but even the FFXIV team has seem to take notice.

It may have only been a fraction of the voices speaking about this but every voice and opinion mattered and at the very least we got their attention which is a good thing. I personally don't know how hard it is to make the ears work even after seeing what people say here or on other websites. I'm not saying "maybe its too hard so its not a big deal" because even if the ears did work I don't think most of these hairstyles look good for Hrothgar to begin with, with the exception of the Pulse (Snow from FFXIII) hairstyle.
I would've been fine with 3-4 hairstyles at the most if they were of quality. I'm sure some people have ideas of what they want and we should try to express interested not only for ears for hairstyles but also what hairstyles we would be interested in. After all if they see the thread we need to speak up what type of hair we want to see because complaining without a show of "what we wanted" will probably not end well.

So without Further ado in terms of hairstyles I like to see for the Hrothgar I have only two in mind at the moment that I think would fit the race.
The first one is the Wind Caller hairstyle which you can see on Lyon from Bozja. This one is not only one I would enjoy but I believe a good number of Hrothgar players would like as well. I think it fits the race with all the hair and the bandana adds something to it all especially since we can't wear most hats anyway.
The second one is a bald option, one that removes the mane part. I think this would be fine for Hrothgar mainly because the races more masculine have bald options, Roegadyn and Hyur and it would work as I think Hrothgar falls under that too a degree. The other reason is just to replicate other types of cats of our world like Panthers, Tigers and Cheetahs (Heeeey my character name) and I don't think Hrothgar would look too weird without the hair on their head being gone since our skin is fur and we have fur patches.

Anyway that's all I wanted to add (friend linked me the Zepla video saying the thread I started was in it) I'm now going back to PVP because aside from the Hrothgar stuff this patch has been really great ^^

[MellowMink]

Something I want to add to this thread: The excuse that the code is hard to work with because of present 1.0 spaghetti code is only really an acceptable press response to paying customers for so long. There have so far been four gigantic expansions to an already large base game, with planning for a fifth, so maybe more time should be spent on basic aspects of the engine even if it means the next expansion being less lengthy?

I’m a full-time programmer, and I know how hard it can be to read through and work with awkwardly written legacy code, but I also know that it being tricky doesn’t always work as an excuse, and sensible companies that already make a lot of money in profits will often bring in more people if there really is something that there are insufficient resources for. Hard and impossible are also different things.

If developers are having issues figuring out how to add ears to one of their already less-supported races, then could Square Enix -please- hire some modders like with how Sega hired fan coders to make the hugely successful Sonic Mania, or do they have too much pride to even consider doing that? And yes, I’m aware that there’s additional work that has to be done beyond what modders do, like far more testing and making sure that the overall build doesn’t break, but why refuse to reach out to them altogether?

The latest response feels like it’s trying to guilt me into being happier with my character’s race consistently having less customization option than the other characters, or else risk an even slower time than the several -years- that already passed by, and that makes me sad. I am grateful that more content creators are raising increased attention to this at least.

Also, please stop using clipping as an excuse to not update the Hrothgar further; there are already tons of clothes across the game’s life with clipping, and there are already sometimes clipping issues with hair or horns with other races, so if you’re not going to be consistent with your opposition to clipping, then it feels like a disingenuous excuse to downplay concerns of Hrothgar players yet again…

And one last thing: Why is feedback in relation to missing ears only being asked for -now- after lots of technical work has already been done? There was an unfair assumption made that most players wouldn’t care about missing ears, and nobody thought to survey the community or gather more feedback before starting?

Sharing this again because I spent a very long time writing it up and reviewing what I wrote, and I really hope that even one of the developers or designers ends up seeing this. Also, are there any realistic methods of having feedback possibly seen besides the forums? This doesn’t seem to lead to much, so either more avenues of communication are needed, or more community managers should be hired or assigned for this website.

[Denji]

Sharing this again because I spent a very long time writing it up and reviewing what I wrote, and I really hope that even one of the developers or designers ends up seeing this. Also, are there any realistic methods of having feedback possibly seen besides the forums? This doesn’t seem to lead to much, so either more avenues of communication are needed, or more community managers should be hired or assigned for this website.

Nope. Just here.
I can also assure you that we'll never be taken seriously. The fact that the JP side of things got a housing update and we got nothing being an indicator of this. You can try and claim easter but in the end Square's JP side of things also has translators so that argument's a little moot.
We will always - and forever - be neglected. It has always been this way. JP users who insist otherwise be damned, all one needs to do is look at their threads and see how many crowns they have beside their thread icons to know this.

[Milus]

''we don't want the ears to clip''

the armor cliping with itself

[myahele]

Pretend Hrothgar ears are under the hair ... meanwhile miqo'te ears can extend

[Iedarus]

Yep, Square Enix is becoming Bethesda. Release a half-assed product and expect the modders to fix it.

[Adamantini]

Yep, Square Enix is becoming Bethesda. Release a half-assed product and expect the modders to fix it.

I consider it worse than Bethesda, because in addition to waiting for the community to solve the problems, they make mods prohibited

[Berret_Snow]

Nope. Just here.
I can also assure you that we'll never be taken seriously. The fact that the JP side of things got a housing update and we got nothing being an indicator of this. You can try and claim easter but in the end Square's JP side of things also has translators so that argument's a little moot.
We will always - and forever - be neglected. It has always been this way. JP users who insist otherwise be damned, all one needs to do is look at their threads and see how many crowns they have beside their thread icons to know this.

The message was very "It's your fault you don't like what we put out, how dare you" I am fully expecting nothing and a "Please understand it's haaaaaaaardddddd"

[Akimori]

Pretend Hrothgar ears are under the hair ... meanwhile miqo'te ears can extend

LMFAO. Someone should show this to yoshi P and ask why Miqo'te are allowed to suddenly become viera!

[Berret_Snow]

I just saw how this looked on Hrothgar. :|