best and worst jobs in the new pvp mode?

[Hayte123]

I will not be able to help my team in any way except on sacred ground if I am completely immobilized (which is a common situation) for the duration of the LB. Even if you first activate the Guardian, and then activate the LB, then any movement of an ally within a radius of 10 yards relative to me excludes my help to the team. The ability to almost completely parry the paladin's LB makes him useless for the team. A typical example from the battlefield: get stunned, cleanse, get silenced and wait, then get polymorphed and watch your group get killed. Then the opponents kill you...

Forgive me for asking, but how does the enemy team CC you for 10 seconds, kill your entire team through a 50% damage reduction within those 10 seconds, and then kill you afterwards? Unless you're jumping in 1v15 in frontlines (where you really should be dead as any job) I legitimately don't see this happening. If the enemy team burns 10 seconds of crowd control on you, I'd say you've helped your team quite a bit as your opponents no longer have anything left to use on your allies. Especially in crystal conflict, every ability that the enemies use on you is an ability that they're not using on your teammates, and if you're stuck sitting still for your entire phalanx your team should be wiping the floor with the enemy, even more so if you got any confiteors/blade combos off as your allies are healing with every GCD. PLD does feel kinda weak right now but it's certainly not because their LB is bad.

[Arcflare]

On paper Reaper has an insane amount of burst damage (112k or so over 10 seconds with a max Plentiful Harvest), but in practice its so bad. All of Reapers damage can be just fly out mitigated or CC'd and while its LB's Hysteria in theory could be incredibly powerful in a premade, in a group of randos it is completely useless outside of some very very brief point control in Crystal Conflict. I had thought that having the Shroud as the LB was kind of weird when the reworks were published but i reserved any comments til after everything was tested. It is by far the most underwhelming LB. On paper it sounds really good. You LB + Death Warrant + Arcane Crest for insane damage but in practice it doesnt come close to working out because you just get instalocked down before you can ever make use of it.

Monk seems to be the most "balanced" to me as in they have to tools to kill someone but if they mess up they lose out on the kill which is fair since pvp is supposed to be skill based so if you mess up you should be punished for it. LB having the ability to straight up ignore Guard is very powerful which not enough people seem to take into account.

Samurai is way overtuned for sure. Getting rewarded with insta kills just for getting hit with Chiten up is bad design imo. People say "just avoid hitting the samurai when its Chiten is up." Thats a pretty bs statement to make when a smart samurai will pop in when everything is going crazy and no ones gonna notice it til after theyre already dead from their entire team getting LB instakilled. It's like looking for a flash light in the middle of a fireworks display.

Dragoon: Self explanatory. Arguably even stronger than samurai in pure damage potential.

[Qeilos]

Forgive me for asking, but how does the enemy team CC you for 10 seconds, kill your entire team through a 50% damage reduction within those 10 seconds, and then kill you afterwards? Unless you're jumping in 1v15 in frontlines (where you really should be dead as any job) I legitimately don't see this happening. If the enemy team burns 10 seconds of crowd control on you, I'd say you've helped your team quite a bit as your opponents no longer have anything left to use on your allies. Especially in crystal conflict, every ability that the enemies use on you is an ability that they're not using on your teammates, and if you're stuck sitting still for your entire phalanx your team should be wiping the floor with the enemy, even more so if you got any confiteors/blade combos off as your allies are healing with every GCD. PLD does feel kinda weak right now but it's certainly not because their LB is bad.

The amount of times im like wanting to throw my keyboard across the room because my team is like 3 man focusing a paladin as a SAM rips one of our backline apart and a MCH is standing IN MELEE with us and still doesnt get focused as he just starts pumping damage is infuriating. Putting markers above ppls heads isnt even helping, people are fighting whoever they tab target first i swear to god. Tanks are super effective for that reason alone in lower elo.

[Fourbestintoner]

The more I play, the more I realise the guys in charge of WHM and RDM were on meth, miracle of nature and resolution are EASILY the worst debuffs of the entire mode, there is 0 reason for rdm to have a silence (and sam to have a stun), can you even imagine if drg had one?

[Aeliott]

S+: War, Whm, Nin
S: Sam, Drg, Rdm

A:
Smn

Mnk, most slept-on job number not listed above. The most responsive pushback in PvP which also happens to do a lot of aoe damage, crazy single target lockdown, the ability to just remove a shield with a fast charging LB. Easy single target wombo combo.

AST: second most slept-on job. Its impact isn't as immediately obvious but as long they have a comp to take the heat off of them they offer a lot of power

MCH

Brd: would shine brighter with more coordination, but still solid

Sge: hard to use but a good one can really augment the usual comps

PLD: the only reason it's not used more is War

B:
SCH: this is being very generous. It can shift shift the flow of fights well...it's horrible if pounced on though. Cant defend itself at all. Its LB is strong though.

Drk: salted earth is good, and living dead bait is good, otherwise average

C:
Gnb, Blm, Rpr

DNC: its LB is all it's got going for it, and even that isn't as strong as it sounds

[Raistlin]

I've seen a gold Black Mage out-DPS my Dragoon ass in the top 2 with the rest significantly behind (in the volcano map with all the cover from ranged damage, no less), so it does seem doable if high skill ceiling. And probably falls apart if the rest of the team is crumbling.

Play it before talking, BLM is all AoE, I always get top 3 in damage, still lose because all the damage I do is pointless AoE, I cast 3 spells to damage and then is healed instantly.

[ThorneDynasty]

Play it before talking, BLM is all AoE, I always get top 3 in damage, still lose because all the damage I do is pointless AoE, I cast 3 spells to damage and then is healed instantly.

I don't think that's accurate, just looking at the kit? It seems more hyper focused on single targets if anything. And BLM generally isn't high DPS, it's only the ones with high kill/assist counts that seem to compete.

Also, outside of specific LBs, "I do 3 attacks and it's healed immediately" is every job if don't get assists (or the enemy hasn't figured out they should self-heal yet).

But yeah I agree having to build stacks does seem problematic in a mode where you usually have to be pretty opportunistic with sniping low-health/cc'd targets.

[Dogempire]

Snip.

50% damage reduction just means they have to deal twice the amount of hp as normal to kill you, which is easy with 3 or 4 people, and it doesn't mean you're protected from being chain CC'd, you can even finish off people with guard up if you dump powerful enough skills into them while they're semi-low

You would also be surprised how terrible random people can be, with some teams even if you pull off a 3v1 and turn it into a 4v2 with your team, some teams will still somehow lose

[iiTzSeb]

RDM, RDM, RDM and then WHM, WAR, SAM and SMN. Those jobs do way too little for the amount of utility, raw damage or cc they have.

Don't be fooled by people doing montages of some NIN reset. Outside of LB and opener your damage is less than that of a whm or dancer, not very melee.

All the jobs you listed are insane in PVP wtf lmao

Also NIN does REALLY good damage idk what you're on about there either

[Raistlin]

I don't think that's accurate, just looking at the kit? It seems more hyper focused on single targets if anything. And BLM generally isn't high DPS, it's only the ones with high kill/assist counts that seem to compete.

Also, outside of specific LBs, "I do 3 attacks and it's healed immediately" is every job if don't get assists (or the enemy hasn't figured out they should self-heal yet).

But yeah I agree having to build stacks does seem problematic in a mode where you usually have to be pretty opportunistic with sniping low-health/cc'd targets.

As mentioned before, play it a bit, is by far not focusing on killing a single target. LB just give you AoE spells instant cast with a big AoE, the melee combo is AoE too. Holding with Blizzard is useless unless you reach 3 stacks o the target for 3 seconds hold.. not even stun.