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    Quote Originally Posted by VarHyid View Post
    You can’t assume that if only there was no zero in the mix, the roll would have hit exactly one number higher. It’s much simpler, there were 4 win states and one lose state. All 4 win states had equal chances. If the lose state would have hit, the we just re-roll. There is no taint here… or let me put it this way - the taint was the possibility that the results may hit the fail state.
    I know that but the human perception will be... I was 6 and 5 was picked... that effing zero screwed me and now I hate S-E forever. No amount of reasoning will make those people see otherwise and therefor the flaw in the system kind of taints the whole thing.

    Then if just to reroll all the ones that landed zero which seems like an unreasonably high amount if you go around and read boards. What happens to the people that had no idea and got their money back and lost there lottery ticket? Are they just out of the competition?

    and if they just do another round of lottery. The people that won, won and yay for them... now the field of rewards is cut down drastically and nearly the same amount of people are competing again. Many of whom should already be done with it but instead have a ton of extra competition for less resources just because

    what is the fair thing to do? Literally every option is bad for a ton of people and the FC house ward restrictions and people only wanting large are making things far worse even in the old zones.
    can't relocate to mist or lavender beds because all the opened up ones are in the FC wards.

    I didn't even try, I like my house in the goblet and now I'm worried that my area will die off and go ghost town because it's an FC ward. Just seems like everything is bad now XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    I know that but the human perception will be... I was 6 and 5 was picked... that effing zero screwed me and now I hate S-E forever. No amount of reasoning will make those people see otherwise and therefor the flaw in the system kind of taints the whole thing.
    That's correct. You'll never fix the perception of odds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nihility View Post
    Then if just to reroll all the ones that landed zero which seems like an unreasonably high amount if you go around and read boards. What happens to the people that had no idea and got their money back and lost there lottery ticket? Are they just out of the competition?

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    what is the fair thing to do? Literally every option is bad for a ton of people
    They should just re-roll based on the old data set. I'm sure they have a snapshot of all the tickets along with the names of the participants from the moment the entry period closed. They should simply use this data set to roll on all the plots where the result was 0. I think that would be the fairest solution - those plots didn't get a winner so we'll just roll again, there will be no new participants, everyone who had a ticket in that time will get the same chance they had if there was no bug.

    That said, realistically, there are of course tons of other issues like the ones Breezelyn mentioned earlier and I could add even more to the list, for example - if those who participated and took their refund have already spend the gil on buying things from the market end up winning the new roll, what should happen to the gil? Should they trace every single penny and return it to the owner, then also return the items purchased on the market? That's just unrealistic and at that point we're basically talking about a full complete server rollback which will make tons of other people upset. Why should everyone who didn't even participate in the housing lottery have their progress rolled back.

    It really is a mess and as you've said, it's unavoidable that some people will remain upset even if you make the mathematically and logically correct decision. I just hope whatever decision they make, it will be one that causes the least amount of additional damage.
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    I completely agree VarHyid. What really sucks, is that the longer they wait, the more complicated this is going to become.
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