RNG Fairness

[Vryn]

The problem with that is what if the one who won it this time was a relocating house that accepted the winning bid and their house transferred.

Is the system set up to know which plot a house transferred from?

If it's not, then you'd have a huge disaster if that FC or individual then lost the new auction. They went from having a house to not having a house. And I think that would be a worse situation to be in.

Fairest way to handle it without having to deal with any possible additional technical glitches is to just run the ones who errored out and gave 0 or "no participants" as the result.

I agree with this, point well stated.

[Nihility]

theoretically since every ward is and was on lockdown for the lottery to start they could just roll back the entirety of all housing districts

I said it elsewhere but every choice they have to repair this is a bad one

rolling back all the housing wards, which should 100% be possible for any game company, upsets the lucky few but with the 0 in place even the winning lottery tickets are somewhat tainted
having all the zero's reroll will screw over anyone that did exactly what was expected of them since checking the board deletes your ticket and refunds your money so they're no longer in the lottery
just restarting the lottery like nothing happened means now you have basically the same amount of people and many fewer houses so that's kind of super messed up to everyone that got booted out of the first round


feels like to me they need to reset and use the opportunity to rethink this whole thing
like clearly they overestimated FC housing needs to a colossal degree and underestimated private housing needs by like 1000% too
Every housing district being 75% FC from now on is just kind of ridiculous a though too

[Evergrey]

theoretically since every ward is and was on lockdown for the lottery to start they could just roll back the entirety of all housing districts

I said it elsewhere but every choice they have to repair this is a bad one

rolling back all the housing wards, which should 100% be possible for any game company, upsets the lucky few but with the 0 in place even the winning lottery tickets are somewhat tainted
having all the zero's reroll will screw over anyone that did exactly what was expected of them since checking the board deletes your ticket and refunds your money so they're no longer in the lottery
just restarting the lottery like nothing happened means now you have basically the same amount of people and many fewer houses so that's kind of super messed up to everyone that got booted out of the first round


feels like to me they need to reset and use the opportunity to rethink this whole thing
like clearly they overestimated FC housing needs to a colossal degree and underestimated private housing needs by like 1000% too
Every housing district being 75% FC from now on is just kind of ridiculous a though too

This is the lesser of two evils in my opinion as well.
Sure, it robs the winners of the plot.
But right now the ones who lost might've been robbed of a win as well due to the 0.
Resetting it would give everyone the same chance as before.
But this time perhaps open up more wards for Personal Housing as well.

[Breezelyn]

Yeah, no. People who won the lottery on unaffected plots should NOT be rolled back. I'm sorry it sucks for everyone involved, but rolling back people who have already RELOCATED TO ANOTHER PLOT? You're just asking for a much bigger poop storm.

Some who have upgraded from a small to medium, or a medium to a large, or a small to a large:
- How would they be able to go back if their furnishings/storeroom are way over the 400 limit?
- Where would the extra furnishings go?
- How would the player able to get back to their original plot, if the system can't pinpoint where these players were originally?
- Would these players get extra compensation, because of the system being "bugged"?
- Why should players, who entered like everyone else, waited like everyone else, had the same field as everyone else, have to give up something they won? I want a good reason for this.

None of us knew the system was bugged. Everyone who entered the lottery was on the same playing field. People who got their new plots should not be punished, because SE screwed up with something in the coding. The team messed up, yes I get it. However, these players should not be forced to reroll again, due to a lot of other factors that could make the situation much, much worse. If they can find which lottery number won for each bugged plot, it would be better imo.

[Nihility]

Yeah, no. People who won the lottery on unaffected plots should NOT be rolled back. I'm sorry it sucks for everyone involved, but rolling back people who have already RELOCATED TO ANOTHER PLOT? You're just asking for a much bigger poop storm.

Some who have upgraded from a small to medium, or a medium to a large, or a small to a large:
- How would they be able to go back if their furnishings/storeroom are way over the 400 limit?
- Where would the extra furnishings go?
- How would the player able to get back to their original plot, if the system can't pinpoint where these players were originally?
- Would these players get extra compensation, because of the system being "bugged"?
- Why should players, who entered like everyone else, waited like everyone else, had the same field as everyone else, have to give up something they won? I want a good reason for this.

None of us knew the system was bugged. Everyone who entered the lottery was on the same playing field. People who got their new plots should not be punished, because SE screwed up with something in the coding. The team messed up, yes I get it. However, these players should not be forced to reroll again, due to a lot of other factors that could make the situation much, much worse. If they can find which lottery number won for each bugged plot, it would be better imo.

and all the people that got zero'd just get a tough luck suckers, system is only fair for the winners

[VarHyid]

If what I stated is correct, then in all fairness, they should roll back EVERYONE's bids, because if 0 (zero) was counted as a possible RNG choice, then EVERY roll is invalidated and needs to be done again.

If the zero was only added and the count was not shifted by 1 because of it, then there’s absolutely no need to re-roll and the result is fair because the odds were equally lowered for everyone.

For example, if 4 people entered the lottery, each would have had a 25% chance to win, but if they dropped a 5th “zero bidder” into the mix, all it means that now all 4 real people simply had a 20% chance of winning… and there was a 20% chance that the drawing fails and hits the zero. If it didn’t, though then how exactly is it unfair?

Only those cases where zero actually won need to be re-rolled (and the single bidders should just get the house, of course).

[S0lara]

rolling back all the housing wards, which should 100% be possible for any game company, upsets the lucky few but with the 0 in place even the winning lottery tickets are somewhat tainted
having all the zero's reroll will screw over anyone that did exactly what was expected of them since checking the board deletes your ticket and refunds your money so they're no longer in the lottery
just restarting the lottery like nothing happened means now you have basically the same amount of people and many fewer houses so that's kind of super messed up to everyone that got booted out of the first round


feels like to me they need to reset and use the opportunity to rethink this whole thing
like clearly they overestimated FC housing needs to a colossal degree and underestimated private housing needs by like 1000% too
Every housing district being 75% FC from now on is just kind of ridiculous a though too

I agree wholeheartedly with you all. If people won, and no zero (0) affected them, then no, they should not lose their house; however, what if rollback is the only option?

Just like Nihility said, if a zero was in place and counted as a number in the list, then yes it was tainted. There is really no easy way around this for the devs, but that is why I proposed a reroll or rollback excluding the zero was the "most fair" option.

[Evergrey]

Yeah, no. People who won the lottery on unaffected plots should NOT be rolled back. I'm sorry it sucks for everyone involved, but rolling back people who have already RELOCATED TO ANOTHER PLOT? You're just asking for a much bigger poop storm.

Some who have upgraded from a small to medium, or a medium to a large, or a small to a large:
- How would they be able to go back if their furnishings/storeroom are way over the 400 limit?
- Where would the extra furnishings go?
- How would the player able to get back to their original plot, if the system can't pinpoint where these players were originally?
- Would these players get extra compensation, because of the system being "bugged"?
- Why should players, who entered like everyone else, waited like everyone else, had the same field as everyone else, have to give up something they won? I want a good reason for this.

None of us knew the system was bugged. Everyone who entered the lottery was on the same playing field. People who got their new plots should not be punished, because SE screwed up with something in the coding. The team messed up, yes I get it. However, these players should not be forced to reroll again, due to a lot of other factors that could make the situation much, much worse. If they can find which lottery number won for each bugged plot, it would be better imo.

What if, let's say a TV competition, and the winner gets a huge amount of price money.
Later it's found out that there was an error in the voting system.
Would the winner still be allowed to keep the price money, or would they do a re-vote?

[Seera1024]

What if, let's say a TV competition, and the winner gets a huge amount of price money.
Later it's found out that there was an error in the voting system.
Would the winner still be allowed to keep the price money, or would they do a re-vote?

There's a different set of problems with that though.

Your scenario doesn't have people who transferred their lot to a new plot to factor into whatever solution they come up with.

Your analogy is flawed.

If they can't rollback JUST the housing districts to a point after the bidding closed and before the winner drawn, then there is no perfect solution. Those who won a lot should keep them, the sole bidders should be given their plots, and the bidding reopened once they've fixed the bug.

[Evergrey]

If the zero was only added and the count was not shifted by 1 because of it, then there’s absolutely no need to re-roll and the result is fair because the odds were equally lowered for everyone.

For example, if 4 people entered the lottery, each would have had a 25% chance to win, but if they dropped a 5th “zero bidder” into the mix, all it means that now all 4 real people simply had a 20% chance of winning… and there was a 20% chance that the drawing fails and hits the zero. If it didn’t, though then how exactly is it unfair?

Only those cases where zero actually won need to be re-rolled (and the single bidders should just get the house, of course).

Because like you said, instead of a 1/4 of winning it turned out to be a 1/5.
The 0 just acted as a ghost-vote with no person behind it.
If the winning roll was, let's say a 23 (on a roll of 1-100), then person nr.1 would've won on a 1/4 with a 25% win rate. But thanks for the "ghost" that means the 2nd person won due to nr1 got shifted lower.
Meaning the results were altered due to the ghost, ending in that all results were tainted.