New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Rathmir]

That's kind of what I'm asking though. Is there some conceivable reason why they might need to avoid clipping things in this way? It seems a strange thing to do if they don't have to, and I was wondering if there might be a genuine reason why they do it. Is there some way it could cause issues?

Clearly it's not the case that they have to avoid any instance of clipping, so why in this instance would they need to leave hairstyles hovering rather than clipping them in?

In that case, I guess it's about the visible hair lines and the amount of allowed polygones inside meshes and maybe further works like with the texture.
At the moment, they have to let the hair float (with every race), to create an irregular hair line far easier. It's either that, or you let hair clip into the head, and need some editing on the head texture to create the natural and softer hair line - at the troubles of potential seams.

Quick graphical edit without further adjustments, just plumb clipping on right pic. Other two are original.


But why the gap is that big around human-like head shapes, which aren't that different between selections, compared to Hroth head? No idea. At least there, they could almost fully prevent those, as the skulls have no deforming animations above the face area.

And with that topic, Square did a better job around the racial hair styles on Hroth than the other races. I have to take sometimes very odd camera positions to see a visible gap, while with others often even a plain view from side is far more than enough - even with their unified shape above the forehead.

[Denji]

In that case, I guess it's about the visible hair lines and the amount of allowed polygones inside meshes and maybe further works like with the texture.
At the moment, they have to let the hair float (with every race), to create an irregular hair line far easier. It's either that, or you let hair clip into the head, and need some editing on the head texture to create the natural and softer hair line - at the troubles of potential seams.

Quick graphical edit without further adjustments, just plumb clipping on right pic. Other two are original.


But why the gap is that big around human-like head shapes, which aren't that different between selections, compared to Hroth head? No idea. At least there, they could almost fully prevent those, as the skulls have no deforming animations above the face area.

And with that topic, Square did a better job around the racial hair styles on Hroth than the other races. I have to take sometimes very odd camera positions to see a visible gap, while with others often even a plain view from side is far more than enough - even with their unified shape above the forehead.

yeegh... that looks so odd.

[Rathmir]

Indeed. So it's floaty hairs, superclean cut (+respective alterations of head texture), or....
Drown the meshes around that area with polygons, at the potential cost of other details within limitations giving by engine or management.

So the devs walked over the slack line with floaties. While it wasn't too hard with Hroth hair in the past, they started to follow traditions with finger thick gaps like all the others with the copied styles.

[Retrisar]

Well I wonder if they adress the issue on 6.2 live letter or gonna be pretending that problem doesn't exist.

[Denji]

Well I wonder if they adress the issue on 6.2 live letter or gonna be pretending that problem doesn't exist.

I would be disgruntled but at the very least satisfied if they just fixed the ears and peanut head.

I'd love some proper short hair or like, big thick braids a la tauren from wow but honesty if they just fixed the current issues I'd at least settle down.

[SturmChurro]

Clearly it's not the case that they have to avoid any instance of clipping, so why in this instance would they need to leave hairstyles hovering rather than clipping them in?

It feels like clipping is only a problem when it requires a little more work to resolve it. It's a huge problem for viera/hrothgar specifically. Rather, I think it's often times used as an excuse, because they don't seem to have any issues with things like my au ra horns clipping through every helmet in the game, which is especially bad for male au ra. They also don't seem to have any issue cutting off ears, as seen with hrothgar.

[ArtyTheHrothgar]

Greetings, everyone.

As there have been a lot of feedback surrounding Hrothgar and their hairstyles, we wanted to share a recent update from Yoshida during the recent patch notes reading. On the stream he discussed the specifications of Hrothgar and the difficulties regarding adding hairstyles for them.

Hello,

Thank you very much for your response. Here is my feedback.

As Hrothgar, I would like to see the priorities addressed in this order:

1. Keep the showing the ears on every hairstyle
2. Keep the hairstyle changing via aesthetician
3. Make all hrothgar racial hairstyles available for all faces
   I think the head structure needs to be redone so that the top and back are identical in all cases. Only the face should change from one to the other. The ears must be in the same place in every hrothgar head.
4. Either :
   NEW specific hairstyles for all hrothgars, and i don't mind if we get only 2 per expension. (And make the other head specific hairstyles for all hrothgar). (That's my favorite option)
   or adapt the existing hairstyles, i don't mind if we only get one by major patch, but, please, ask the players wich one they want (for exemple by making a poll every major patch release for the next one)

In my opinion, you can remove the 6.1 hairstyles to fit the priorities above.

Edit : I saw a lot of marvelous sketches for hrothgar hairstyles from other OF threads, if you choose to create specific new hairstyles, using them might be a good option.

Thank you !

[Berret_Snow]

it isn't if you or any other player cares or not, it's just that we've been given many excuses including one that implied clipping was the reason why hroths were so lacking in headgear/customization

it's just a ridiculous excuse when clipping exists in so many other parts of the game.

I already mentioned it, but during a big scene in Endwalker, Venat's hair just clips all over the place. Honestly in all her scenes her hair clips.

[Minali]

Hello,

Thank you very much for your response. Here is my feedback.

As Hrothgar, I would like to see the priorities addressed in this order:

1. Keep the showing the ears on every hairstyle
2. Keep the hairstyle changing via fantasia
3. Make all hrothgar racial hairstyles available for all faces
   I think the head structure needs to be redone so that the top and back are identical in all cases. Only the face should change from one to the other. The ears must be in the same place in every hrothgar head.
4. Either :
   NEW specific hairstyles for all hrothgars, and i don't mind if we get only 2 per expension. (And make the other head specific hairstyles for all hrothgar). (That's my favorite option)
   or adapt the existing hairstyles, i don't mind if we only get one by major patch, but, please, ask the players wich one they want (for exemple by making a poll every major patch release for the next one)

In my opinion, you can remove the 6.1 hairstyles to fit the priorities above.

Edit : I saw a lot of marvelous sketches for hrothgar hairstyles from other OF threads, if you choose to create specific new hairstyles, using them might be a good option.

Thank you !

I am surprised to see anyone voting in favour for paying real world money for a feature that every non-Hrothgar player in this game gets for free. Why would you consider keeping Hrothgar hairstyle changes a rich person thing as a good feature?

[Denji]

I am surprised to see anyone voting in favour for paying real world money for a feature that every non-Hrothgar player in this game gets for free. Why would you consider keeping Hrothgar hairstyle changes a rich person thing as a good feature?

same reason why people keep defending square for free.

weird nerds who worship companies they love instead of realizing that they're the ones paying them already and not vice-versa.

possibly also already also bought a ton of fantas in the past and are student loaning themselves. 'i paid for it so you guys have to, too!' that or just desperate bargaining a la five stages of grief.

either way they are not going to be able to undo the aesthetician changes without causing a literal riot now.