The idea that we need to DPS must go.

[Con_Moo]

One of the reasons I like healing is because there's always something to do, including dealing damage. It's very frenetic and fun =)

[FoxCh40s]

I prefer to combat ignorance, personally. The argument won’t ever go away, but it’s better to contest it so newer players that might be reading understand why these “healers only heal” arguments don’t work in the game.

Plus, this gives me something to do while I’m on my lunch break.

Fair and acknowledged. *salute* Thank you Commander Hyomin, will resume regular operations.

[Semirhage]

Why do we even bother with these arguements anymore? It's the same as I've said before; the entire veteran community argues with one singular person per month about how they're wrong. We do this EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

They eventually give up, then we wait for another one to show up, and do it all over again. Can we just stop feeding please? This arguement is pointless, as we all really know the answer on these forums.

I'm just like Roger from American Dad. Expelling my venom every day is a natural process that cannot be interrupted.

[deadman1204]

As someone who has healed a dungeon with no healing buttons except my fairy cooldowns in 5.0, I beg to disagree (admittedly it was a level 50 dungeon, but those still exist and job design should acknowledge that those still exist.)

If everyone is still alive at the end of the fight then no additional healing will mean you healed it any better.

That said, I’m personally of the opinion that it shouldn’t be the responsibility of healers to dps. Their primary job is to heal, and no one should be kicked (from pugged groups at least) for refusing to dps. I personally can’t stand the idea of sitting on my thumbs and waiting for the next heal to be needed, but that’s me. That’s not everyone.

Err you mean dps ABILITY - as in singular. Thats right, just 1 attack, over and over and over and over again

[ty_taurus]

Err you mean dps ABILITY - as in singular. Thats right, just 1 attack, over and over and over and over again

The post you're replying to is from August 2019

[Engaru]

We should focus our raid performance on not overhealing and ensuring that we are able to keep our comrades alive throughout encounters. In doing so, we are bolstering community performance and promoting the dev team's ideals of pure healing. I believe this will increase communication and cohesion of the three roles.

I you like playing Whac-A-Mole with your party's health bars you should try WoW and see how fulfilling that is gonna end up being...

[Drkdays]

Exactly. I feel like that was definitely the Scooby-doo moment where we unveiled the mask only to find a troll.

In any job anywhere, organization and cleanliness is actually a part of your job description. Even if you've got an office job, you think your boss is going to keep you around if you keep leaving food out and not cleaning up after yourself in the breakroom? It's an expectation that you're not going to be a lazy asshole, making it a part of your job description. And in FFXIV, healer DPS actually is stated as being a part of your job description multiple times in various parts of the game: The Hall of the Novice, Solo Instances where I'd love to see someone exclusively heal through any of those and let the NPCs kill everything, not to mention the entirety of the CNJ class quests which have outlined the structure for healing day 1 of ARR.

Please refer to my original post where I said, very clearly, that I believe doing dps as a healer is good and right (you'll find I've maintained that sentiment is all my posts on the subject) but that no one should feel punished for deciding, for whatever given reason, to narrow their focus to just healing.

There are plenty of reasons for not doing dps: RP, bad nerves, unreliable party members trying to kill themselves constantly. In the end, the reason doesn't matter except to say that is their reason and they can play how they like. It's rarely the healer's fault if the dungeon fails due to not having enough dps. Can they help if they want? Sure! But it's also pretty w/e to most players.

Personally, I do dps as a healer (wut?! Shocking, right?) But I would never be so conceited as the badger other healers to do the same. Reeks of toxicity.

That's the honest truth that many of those on the forums fail to realize as they make note of how the forum veterans are always speaking the truth about dps vs no dps healers.

I can't help but laugh at these replies that constantly misinterpret what I say, taking a small part of what I write and running with it like a kid with scissors along the edge of a swimming pool. "Drkdays say healer dps bad!" *Raises pitchfork and torch."

[GrimGale]

Please refer to my original post where I said, very clearly, that I believe doing dps as a healer is good and right (you'll find I've maintained that sentiment is all my posts on the subject) but that no one should feel punished for deciding, for whatever given reason, to narrow their focus to just healing.

There are plenty of reasons for not doing dps: RP, bad nerves, unreliable party members trying to kill themselves constantly. In the end, the reason doesn't matter except to say that is their reason and they can play how they like. It's rarely the healer's fault if the dungeon fails due to not having enough dps. Can they help if they want? Sure! But it's also pretty w/e to most players.

Personally, I do dps as a healer (wut?! Shocking, right?) But I would never be so conceited as the badger other healers to do the same. Reeks of toxicity.

That's the honest truth that many of those on the forums fail to realize as they make note of how the forum veterans are always speaking the truth about dps vs no dps healers.

I can't help but laugh at these replies that constantly misinterpret what I say, taking a small part of what I write and running with it like a kid with scissors along the edge of a swimming pool. "Drkdays say healer dps bad!" *Raises pitchfork and torch."

The whole point of simplifying healer tools seemed to be so that healers would have an easier time balancing Healing and Dpsing.

At this point, considering how much they sacrificed to streamline healer DPS kits, I find a non-dpsing healer to be rather insulting. It takes little to no effort to press 1 button and upkeep 1 dot.

[ty_taurus]

The whole point of simplifying healer tools seemed to be so that healers would have an easier time balancing Healing and Dpsing.

At this point, considering how much they sacrificed to streamline healer DPS kits, I find a non-dpsing healer to be rather insulting. It takes little to no effort to press 1 button and upkeep 1 dot.

Not only insulting, but quite literally griefing. Not DPSing means you’re AFKing. If you are not casting, you do not deserve the rewards for that content. If you’re struggling or the party is a mess, then do what you need to do to get people up, like right now in the new alliance raid. But that’s a result of the raid being new, and this is otherwise an extremely rare occurrence.

[Semirhage]

The developers could reduce healer DPS down to a single 30 minute DoT you cast at the beginning of the encounter. The healer subforum would have a post the next day stating, "Well *I* deal damage but you can't judge someone else's playstyle! That DoT might ruin their RP! It might cost 200 mana and you don't know how much that might impact their dungeon, you dismissive elitists!"

Healer DPS is the easiest it's ever been. The entire role was dumbed down to dirt to make it easier for the Forum Princess Healers to do it. And we still have people defending it.