PVP Crystalline Conflict do NOT need to be solo queue or full party queue

[TheSpooks]

Blows my mind the length this community will go to keep people from playing with their friends/or others only to make "their" experience better for themselves.

"BuT wIn TrAdInG!!!!!!!"

No, we simply want to play with our friends. If you want to address the win trading issues, why not point finger towards SE for not regulating the report system for PVP properly. Instead of ignoring the issue and ruining the experience for others. Put that energy into telling SE to resolve said issue. You all act like Win trading is RAMPANT within the community when in reality, it's a small percentage of the same people doing it.

[TakumiHarada]

Blame it on the fixed groups with VC that kept bullying newbies in PvP, at least on my DCs (JP).
Hidden Gorge is likely closed for this reason. When you allow parties to queue for PvP, some bad people will exploit it to bully single players. Those people aren't doing it for ranking or winning. They just want to be bullies and that took the motivation away from casual players.
Not being able to play with friends is collateral damage.

[TakumiHarada]

Sorry I'm on my phone so I can't edit my last post.
One suggestion is to make a matching system for parties only. I think that'll be a good idea to avoid the problem.

[NeoDivinity]

Blame it on the fixed groups with VC that kept bullying newbies in PvP, at least on my DCs (JP).
Hidden Gorge is likely closed for this reason. When you allow parties to queue for PvP, some bad people will exploit it to bully single players. Those people aren't doing it for ranking or winning. They just want to be bullies and that took the motivation away from casual players.
Not being able to play with friends is a collateral damage.

i get it but i fell this only happens this due to the lack of players engaging in PvP, it became a loop where no one's engaged because they are being bullied so making queues long and the PvP community empty allowing the potential new PvP players being gated or disencouraged at all. But with EW and 6.1 they have a chance to change that, if there is a good amount of the community playing pvp even tho these premades group still exists the chances of them having the same impact diminishes considerably since you would be matched way less with them.

As right now majority of PvP is organized trough Discord. Also communication is a problem, of course we should not allow behaviors seen in WoW or League community but also being strict to premade generic comands isnt a solution there has to be a middle ground. Makes me feel that SE don't trust in the community they built nor in the system they developed.

[IkaraGreydancer]

i get it but i fell this only happens this due to the lack of players engaging in PvP, it became a loop where no one's engaged because they are being bullied so making queues long and the PvP community empty allowing the potential new PvP players being gated or disencouraged at all. But with EW and 6.1 they have a chance to change that, if there is a good amount of the community playing pvp even tho these premades group still exists the chances of them having the same impact diminishes considerably since you would be matched way less with them.

As right now majority of PvP is organized trough Discord. Also communication is a problem, of course we should not allow behaviors seen in WoW or League community but also being strict to premade generic comands isnt a solution there has to be a middle ground. Makes me feel that SE don't trust in the community they built nor in the system they developed.

Ofc they don't trust the community. It's part of why you have to watch your words in content, why stuff is getting dumbed down and why pvp has little semblance of team play or options

[Curisu]

It is good that ranked matches does not allow premade group's.
It gets impossible to balance the team's and we would get a big boosting problem which would result in frustrated lower ranked player's and RMT boostings.
Long-term that would reduce the active PvP player base and will Kill pvp again.

Just look at the biggest 5v5 PvP game, League of Legends.
In high ranks they also disable the possibility to play with friends and also think about completely deleting duoq due to all the issues it brings.

I don't care about the not ranked matches, they could enable it for them.
But ranked has to stay solo to make it fair for everyone.
And I the PvP playerbase is not big enough for a separate flex queue ranking with friends.

[Wesker964]

Completly agree, it's a MMO, you should be able to have fun with your friends, in casual at least, saying that being able to "coordenate with your friends" is unfair against other people is like saying that it's unfair that people who are in FCs can clear high end raids before people who are playing alone because they could communicate, it makes no sense, mate, if the people on the other team are friends playing and HAVING FUN, then invite your friends and have your fun, if you lose, you're gonna be frustrated if it's against a pre made group, or a bunch of randos anyway

[Bureda]

Duo que is lame for ranked. Solo que for the win. I do agree that non ranked should have duo or team.

[Elesh]

People said the same thing with Feast and how awful that turned out
When they introduced team vs team Feast, it end up as wind trading and SE had to kill it right away.
You have to wait until Crystal Conflict population to stabilize so they can gauge on 5 v 5 premade mode
SE learned their lesson with Wolf Den and Feast, they will not repeat it again for Crystal Conflict.
Whether you like it or not, Crystal Conflict is a mode with a little coordination making a lot difference
This is how reason Focus Countdown got removed.

The beauty of crystal conflict is that it actually has the solution built into its design. The problem you mentioned would be pointless.
Between the rewards for losing, the match length, and the way the pvp works... it would be meaningless to win trade in casual. You'd go to a ton of effort to gain a tiny bit of points in a way that would be extremely easy to catch using a simple script on the dev team side.

You're assuming changes were made to fix a problem that could never exist in this game mode. Or at least, it would benefit people in such a small way that nobody would ever care. The season pass is so easy to max out in the time provided that win trading is literally meaningless, even assuming it were possible.

So ya... you're fearing a tiny problem. So no... that's not the concern. Or at least, I would hope that Square Enix is not THAT stupid as to think win trading would matter in this mode.

[frostedbutts]

It's really bad honestly. You have to pray for RNG that you have a good team composition or else you will lose. If you could change your class after dying, that would make it much better.