The State of Homogenization: A New (Healer) Player's Perspective

[Denji]

once a game hits a certain level of popularity it will always cater to the worst players.

anyone who sucks before it got popular would silently move onto another but eventually there's enough of them to make a stink and since you've gotten used to the influx of popularity (and typically cash) you'll do what you can to retain them.

see: pokemon.

[Broken_Wind]

once a game hits a certain level of popularity it will always cater to the worst players.

anyone who sucks before it got popular would silently move onto another but eventually there's enough of them to make a stink and since you've gotten used to the influx of popularity (and typically cash) you'll do what you can to retain them.

see: pokemon.

I would argue WoW has catered more towards the hardcore crowd with Mythic+ and it has NOT been good for the game overall

[Packetdancer]

I would argue WoW has catered more towards the hardcore crowd with Mythic+ and it has NOT been good for the game overall

Though as a healer main I'm always a little sad that our DPS rotation could mostly be executed by one of those old-fashioned teeter-tottering bird toy things, I will point out that my beloved WildStar also explicitly and very determinedly tried to cater to hardcore players overall.

That... did not end super well.

(It wasn't the only factor, but it was a big one.)

[Broken_Wind]

Though as a healer main I'm always a little sad that our DPS rotation could mostly be executed by one of those old-fashioned teeter-tottering bird toy things, I will point out that my beloved WildStar also explicitly and very determinedly tried to cater to hardcore players overall.

That... did not end super well.

(It wasn't the only factor, but it was a big one.)

My thought on Wildstar is they wanted to capture the segment of players that liked big time sinks or coordination efforts like guild attunement. they wanted the people who sunk 8-10 hour days into EQ and WoW, and liked the challenging of herding cats into a 54 man, or bigger, raid where the challenges were much more organizational/tactical then "skill". This is a niche market for sure, but certainly existed during Wildstar's launch time

It also used a much more intense combat system, closer to a "skill" based combat vs a tab target one. The market for this continues to be overestimated, much like the market for hardcore PvP MMORPGs. But this market certainly existed then and still does.

The problem is, combat like Wildstar's doesnt lend itself to the long play times that Wildstar was also targeting. So the intersection of these two markets was small.

Definitely a game that would have done well going after a different market

Cool housing too

[Soge01]

I would argue WoW has catered more towards the hardcore crowd with Mythic+ and it has NOT been good for the game overall

I listened to a video with Asmongold talking about this today. He pointed out pretty much how WoW needs to also cater to the causal players in order to retain subs and not just the hardcore types.

Imo, there needs to be a balance between newcomers and veterans, along with casuals and hardcore players.

This game needs midcore content. Desperately! And the jobs need to reflect that with some being easy to pick up others being moderately difficult and then the rest being hard/challenging to master.

Can't have the game teetering too much on the easy or hard side There needs to be a balance! And unfortunately, Yoshi and the dev team may need to learn the hard way on why not to cater too much to a singular demographic of players.

[Denji]

I would argue WoW has catered more towards the hardcore crowd with Mythic+ and it has NOT been good for the game overall

hardcore means nothing when you have 509 addons that play the game for you.