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    Trusts and Duty Support - I'm confused

    So, as far as I can tell, nobody uses Trusts for two reasons: It takes a lot longer to do a dungeon with these bots rather than Real People. and if you die with a Trust, the duty resets rather than the healer Trust rezzing you. Ok.

    So I ran some Duty Support yesterday to level my MCH from 30 - 45. And it seemed very reasonable. But in the new Castrum this morning with my RPR 85, it was slogging. [BTW, can we cut the alarm noise earlier? Seriously?] Just like Trusts slog. Ran the Roulette and got Castrum with real folks and my guess is that it's 30% faster. So.. One of my confusions is: If the stats are standardized for this dungeon to IL 60 or whatever, why is Duty Support slower to kill stuff? They don't seem dumb. And I'm the same toon on the same job both times. Hey, SX we aren't gonna use DS and Trusts if they are so much worse than people. Have you not noticed this in the statistics you are keeping on our gameplay? Can we please make DS and Trusts put out the same DPS as people? And allow healers to rez our DPS or Tank when we are running with them? Don Megh first boss is un runnable with Trusts since the splashy splashy never works out for me. Also, Alphy Cheats in the Well with the Armordillo. Alphy stands close on the overhead blast and if I stand with him I die instantly. I don't see a Aloq buff on him. He is just cheating as far as I can tell.

    And one more thing. I play a couple of times a week with a friend, and I'll bet lots of us play with friends. But we can't fill our party with DS or Trusts. Why not? If these NPCs can play, then the leader should be able to do a DS / Trust to fill out a party with the correct NPCs to allow folks to play together. Why are these features just for solo players?
    Of course, if the NPCs aren't really playing, but just faking it, then it won't be possible to add them to non-solo parties because they are conspiring behind our backs to make it look like they are playing. Hey, Alphy? What was that you just did?

    For jobs less than 50, DS is my go to for leveling. Except there is a gap in the dungeon list from 42ish - 50. Add some dungeons - and fix some for DS - and we can stop grinding PoD and do something more interesting.

    BTW, Good job on the fixes to Tokomak and Stone Vigil. Both are much nicer. Not just mechanics but the look too.

    Anybody else confused too?
    Thanks. Great 6.1 update btw.
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    Oh, and while we are at it. Shouldn't The MSQ Roulette allow 2 or 3 runs a day to make up for the lowered Tome numbers we get now? Seems like my tomes per day just got cut in half?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyGamer View Post
    Oh, and while we are at it. Shouldn't The MSQ Roulette allow 2 or 3 runs a day to make up for the lowered Tome numbers we get now? Seems like my tomes per day just got cut in half?
    Tomes are a reward for participating in the roulette. Tomes are not the reason the roulettes exist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyGamer View Post
    So, as far as I can tell, nobody uses Trusts
    Please cite sources.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy View Post
    Please cite sources.
    When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyGamer View Post
    When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.
    I just used for the new dungeon, and most of EW. I do raid, and know my proper rotation, however it stems from an issue in endwalker where people were just sprinting the heck out of the dungeon and didn’t wait for the boss cutscene to finish playing. This was on… day 3 of the expansion release I want to say. No doubt they were farming but I wanted to soak in the dungeons on my first play through.

    I did expect double pulls but there’s just something about hyper sprinting without getting the chance to enjoy anything that I found off putting enough I went the trust route.

    Turns out speed isn’t king all the time. Mind you I didn’t say anything to them but I shifted in how I consumed the msq content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyGamer View Post
    When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.
    I leveled all my Trusts to 90. I just used Duty Support for my first run of the new dungeon.

    So there's another source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyGamer View Post
    When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.
    I've had 1 too many Tower of Zot and Babel runs lately that have been complete fiascoes that I just decided to level my WAR and GNB exclusively with trusts now.. If I have to solo every boss because my group can't do basic mechanics, I might as well do it quicker with NPCs that at least attempt to do the mechanics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyGamer View Post
    When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.
    Initial MSQ runs to learn mechanics, guaranteed loot drops, and the achievement for getting them all to 90.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WindyGamer View Post
    When was the last time you used a Trust for anything but a test? There's one source.
    First time through a story dungeon every single time
    Use them to farm glam in a dungeon so i don't have to roll against others
    Use them for psuedo afk leveling while doing other things
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