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  1. #31
    Player
    Drachelanze's Avatar
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    Kristoph Aurchiat
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    "By gauranteeing crits on samurai's biggest moves, it ensures at least the crit buffs aren't being sandbagged if a job other than Samurai is taken."

    The solution to this problem should not, under any circumstance, be to create anti-synergies. Framing this as an overall rDPS issue is pointless. The bar is already so low, especially now with gear, to meet the minimum check to clear the tier. The variance of SAM up until now was not going to be the deciding factor in killing a boss. While it is commendable that they want to address that variance, and don't get me wrong it did need to be looked at, they've taken a pretty narrow-minded approach to it and created synergistic issues. Yes, they hit the mark really close for SAM's personal damage with these changes, but since you know those numbers you must also be aware that these changes amount to a DPS loss in crit buff groups compared to now. So if your angle is going to be that SAM somehow "makes up" for the loss in damage, it unfortunately does not. And now it creates an environment where other jobs are going to have their rDPS contributions suffer for it.
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    Last edited by Drachelanze; 04-12-2022 at 07:20 AM.

  2. #32
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    Chopstix's Avatar
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    Chopstix Maulader
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    Malboro
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Zacheris View Post
    The numbers have already been run by people smarter than me while I was sleeping. The changes come out to a 3 dps loss. Yes you read that correctly. Samurai got 20 potency on its heavily used skills with higanbana going from 600 total potency to 900. This applies to everyone, not just speedrunners. The hard data is out and it's time to dry the crocodile tears.
    and raid buffed DPS went down by 3%, u forgot to mention that as that is actually the DPS that matters

    how exactly is SAM burst fixed anyway? ur burst is doing way, WAY less than pre patch? all this does is negatively affect buffers, as well as anyone who enjoyed pre patch SAM

    SAM will feel lousy to play w/o kaiten, and even lousier with a wet noodle burst window

    dont be silly, higanbana did not get buffed, kaiten got baked into it since that ability (thankfully) didnt get the auto crit treatment and kaiten is gone now

    i cant believe u r okay with this, all they did was shuffle numbers around in order to create a more boring job, not one part of which anyone asked for!
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  3. #33
    Player Stasya's Avatar
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    Stasya Astolfofangirl
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    Phoenix
    Main Class
    Botanist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Chopstix View Post
    and raid buffed DPS went down by 3%, u forgot to mention that as that is actually the DPS that matters

    how exactly is SAM burst fixed anyway? ur burst is doing way, WAY less than pre patch? all this does is negatively affect buffers, as well as anyone who enjoyed pre patch SAM

    SAM will feel lousy to play w/o kaiten, and even lousier with a wet noodle burst window

    dont be silly, higanbana did not get buffed, kaiten got baked into it since that ability (thankfully) didnt get the auto crit treatment and kaiten is gone now

    i cant believe u r okay with this, all they did was shuffle numbers around in order to create a more boring job, not one part of which anyone asked for!
    A boring class whose 2 min cooldowns CONTRADICTS with 2 min cooldowns of 4 other jobs while SE heavy pushes 2 min cooldown meta in endwalker....
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  4. #34
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    strangethings's Avatar
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    Strange Vision
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Chopstix View Post
    and raid buffed DPS went down by 3%, u forgot to mention that as that is actually the DPS that matters

    how exactly is SAM burst fixed anyway? ur burst is doing way, WAY less than pre patch? all this does is negatively affect buffers, as well as anyone who enjoyed pre patch SAM

    SAM will feel lousy to play w/o kaiten, and even lousier with a wet noodle burst window

    dont be silly, higanbana did not get buffed, kaiten got baked into it since that ability (thankfully) didnt get the auto crit treatment and kaiten is gone now

    i cant believe u r okay with this, all they did was shuffle numbers around in order to create a more boring job, not one part of which anyone asked for!
    The average went down by 3%, the theoretical went down significantly.
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  5. #35
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    Awkward's Avatar
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    Vaettir Schwarzer
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    Adamantoise
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    Warrior Lv 88
    Quote Originally Posted by KoS_Jooken View Post
    Stop spamming bro
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  6. #36
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    Lightz Raela
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    Jenova
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Awkward View Post
    Stop spamming bro
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  7. #37
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    Cura Xelwna
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    Jenova
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    It's not about the numbers. It's about the job's identity. The number shuffling is not what bothers people. It's the actual gutting of the class that bothers people. Don't generalize the issue of the SAM changes for damage to trivialize the actual problem of identity loss that people have with this change.
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  8. #38
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    Edweena's Avatar
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    Edweena Ermagherd
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    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by CuragaCura View Post
    It's not about the numbers. It's about the job's identity. The number shuffling is not what bothers people. It's the actual gutting of the class that bothers people. Don't generalize the issue of the SAM changes for damage to trivialize the actual problem of identity loss that people have with this change.
    Kenki is the new Faerie Gauge and I hate it.
    I don't care about the dps. I only care about numbers as much as they encourage or influence how I play.
    And Kaiten's removal influences how I will play, by putting Kenki off screen lol.
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  9. #39
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    Jinn Goda
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    Twintania
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    Marauder Lv 41
    Quote Originally Posted by Awkward View Post
    I mean no offense but you haven't even cleared savage yet and have no performance uploads of reaper, so... You'd think by the way you talk down about reaper you'd be doing rank 1 DPS since it's so easy and takes no skill, right?
    I love the irony of you stalking this dude's profile while hiding away yours.
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  10. #40
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    Cura Xelwna
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    Jenova
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by butchersblock View Post
    I love the irony of you stalking this dude's profile while hiding away yours.
    HOHOHO. AIN'T THAT THE NOT THE LEAST AWKWARD?
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