[U]nstylish: Lack of Effort in Viera & Hrothgar Hairstyle Releases

[Karowolus]

Hey you guys wanted these races. This is just the monkey paw closing one of its fingers.

A ) Who asked.
B ) No, we didn't ask for Hrothgar. People asked for Viera, Yoshida wanted to put hrothgar in since 3.0.
C ) You literally exist because fans requested for your race. This could have been Male Miqo'te at any point. You saying this infact DOWNPLAYS all of the players who requested for Female Roegadyn and Male Miqo'te. Were you playing this game 11 years ago, you would have literally been in our position. Be grateful for what you have and experience Empathy. Go outside. Touch Grass.

[Jason_Ashford]

Hey you guys wanted these races. This is just the monkey paw closing one of its fingers.

wow, you must be new because Male Miqote could have VERY EASILY ended up in just as bad a position considering they were a race players demanded to have. Hrothgar players by contrast did not demand this race. Yoshi-P is the one who insisted on the race being made, the Players threw a hissy fit and had a tantrum over wanting Viera, to the point they harassed the devs and sent death threats.

If you are going to make a snide and rude remark, you really should make sure that you aren't using a race that is the result of players whining like cranky toddlers for.

[Akimori]

Hey you guys wanted these races. This is just the monkey paw closing one of its fingers.

Players demanded male Miqo'te. Players demanded Viera. Players demanded female roegadyn....Players did not demand hrothgar. Hrothgar has been something Yoshida himself wanted. Maybe not hrothgar specifically, but a more beast type race In general. Do us a favor and try to actually know what you're talking about before sitting down at your keyboard to type up something stupid. You won't look like a clown in the end if you do!

[MellowMink]

While I love getting to play as a Hrothgar, with the race design making me super happy and it fitting my character super well, it does make me sad that Hrothgar are consistently treated as less important than the other races in terms of customization support.

I’m not condoning mods, but can’t Square Enix at least hire the programmers who managed to get more hairstyles (without removed ears) and hats to work? I understand that their work also needs to be brought into a wider code build and carefully tested, but that effort seems more important than just giving up and making us feel more excluded.

Heck, the Miqo’te even get to have their ears show through Snow’s hat in one of the hairstyle options, so what’s the legitimately good excuse for Hrothgar not having that too?

[whitemoonflower]

So lack of effort is probably the wrong term, there was effort. They literally went out of their way to look incompetent, they intentionally did this.

There isn’t a lack of effort altogether, but as those head models you shared display, effort is lacking in creating thoughtful, lasting solutions for issues players have been speaking up about for years.

[Denji]

While I love getting to play as a Hrothgar, with the race design making me super happy and it fitting my character super well, it does make me sad that Hrothgar are consistently treated as less important than the other races in terms of customization support.

I’m not condoning mods, but can’t Square Enix at least hire the programmers who managed to get more hairstyles (without removed ears) and hats to work? I understand that their work also needs to be brought into a wider code build and carefully tested, but that effort seems more important than just giving up and making us feel more excluded.

Heck, the Mi’qote even get to have their ears show through Snow’s hat in one of the hairstyle options, so what’s the legitimately good excuse for Hrothgar not having that too?

considering how little effort it takes for people to break the TOS and modify the game to use alternative hairstyles, the fact that square's tried to claim before EW came out that they had no time to do this is absolutely absurd. they absolutely could've hired someone to do this ages ago and it'd be a job that would take a couple weeks at most.

[grinkdaboy]

Players demanded male Miqo'te. Players demanded Viera. Players demanded female roegadyn....Players did not demand hrothgar. Hrothgar has been something Yoshida himself wanted. Maybe not hrothgar specifically, but a more beast type race In general. Do us a favor and try to actually know what you're talking about before sitting down at your keyboard to type up something stupid. You won't look like a clown in the end if you do!

you know for a race that yoshida wanted to put in the game, i wonder why he doesn't play hrothgar. i wonder why that is

[Adamantini]

A ) Who asked.
B ) No, we didn't ask for Hrothgar. People asked for Viera, Yoshida wanted to put hrothgar in since 3.0.
C ) You literally exist because fans requested for your race. This could have been Male Miqo'te at any point. You saying this infact DOWNPLAYS all of the players who requested for Female Roegadyn and Male Miqo'te. Were you playing this game 11 years ago, you would have literally been in our position. Be grateful for what you have and experience Empathy. Go outside. Touch Grass.

[Aneshda]

Hrothgar clearly took the brunt of this with the "hidden ears" and hairstyle choices. I wanted to compare the way Battle-ready Bobs for female Viera was revealed as well. When I first saw the printout, I wondered where the headband had gone just to realize it was clipped underneath the hair, small portions poking out on either side of each ear. It could've been placed in front of the ears. It would've been fine if they held off on releasing it until it was ready. But instead, it was printed out and presented like this…



What feedback would they receive had they released it that way for Miqo'te?

As for removing the ears entirely and the hairstyles chosen for Hrothgar, I couldn't hold up those printouts with any degree of satisfaction. It's just…wrong—more of a slap in the face than any real improvement. Hrothgar having to Fantasia just to change their hairstyles is already bad enough, but…this?



At least Hrothgar get a properly placed headband (even though they had to sacrifice their ears for it). But the bigger problem: of all the hairstyles to release for Hrothgar, this was seen as a fitting choice? For a race often given the excuse, "Xyz is done to keep the race more bestial," this is about as "bestial" as a Loporrit space café or Namazu accounting firm.



Lastly, I wanted to point out how No.2 Type B Goggles and basically all blindfold pieces clip horribly with this hairstyle on female Viera. Male Viera? No problem. (They're new and shiny.)

In conclusion, Viera and Hrothgar are both playable races. If hairstyles for these races are going to be managed (or mismanaged) like this, both races might as well be given access to everything: every hairstyle and every piece of headgear (where it applies). At least let us experience the options other races are entitled to. Race-specific hairstyles should be a feature built alongside other unlockable hairstyles, not as a replacement for them.

Thank you for reading. Please be safe and well.

I am not sure but the last Live Letter was on 1 April ... maybe it was just a joke. Lets wait and see ...

[HeyMcFly]

I'd like to be direct and post Viera hairstyles I'd like to see in game.
Some of these will be very long hairstyles- but the inspiration remains ( I have zero issue with clipping )
I want unique Viera hairstyles- I love the beastial aspect of them
I love the Ear Diadem you see with some Viera depictions- I would want these to remain intact & optional with future Viera hairstyles
Some of these will be large pictures.

I want Viera to obtain the Mog Station hairstyles & if possible, the other reward/ event hairstyles but nothing else pre-existing. I hope Viera will have actual unique racial hairstyles in the future.