Square Enix slowing killing the fun.

[shao32]

Yoship is so obsesed with accesibility he just mistake making everything easy to learn with make everything being dumb so the monkeys of the zoo can pay a sub too, im really tired of this line of work, if he is so corncerned about players not improve he just need to realice making jobs more and more brain dead and just the same is not going to solve anything, they just need to make better tutorials, add tips on the loading screens, improve the half of the novice to explan jobs mechanics to a basic level so every player can quickly catch up and have a proper gameplay level with room to optimice themself and stop making like if we are just idiots.

Edit: that's doesn't mean every job need to be complex but there should be a proper mix like it was in HW and SB inteas of dumbing down everything and take all the fun for those who love more involved jobs like old DRK, BRD and Healers.

[Aiscence]

Sad it took people for SE to touch sam to actually realize how much they dumb down everything; healers, ranged and tanks are used to it for a while now

[Raoabolic]

Sad it took people for SE to touch sam to actually realize how much they dumb down everything; healers, ranged and tanks are used to it for a while now

It's been like this for a long while. The reduction of content during HW was the beginning, the level/story skip cash shop potions was the canary in the coal mine, and we are now seeing the whole mine collapse. At this point i'm looking around for a new MMO and seeing if 6.1-6.2 will fix some mistakes/keep my interest but i'm seriously considering letting my payments lapse. I'm just lucky I never got a new house, I would feel obligated to keep my sub just to keep my virtual house. :/

[YukiB]

It's been a problem for a while, yes, but most of the simplification was done in a way that hid its problematic nature. Healers and tanks were simplified during expansion launchers and large overhauls. A smaller change like AST opener and Sleeve Draw simplification mid-ShB came with positive changes to MP efficiency, and was mostly positively received anyway. SMN was dumbed down but that was packaged in a complete overhaul with really flashy animations. If you lose one skill and gain another, like you do in most overhauls and expansion launches, it takes the immediate sting out of the loss for a lot of people.

SAM is the big red flag for me and many others because it was a job that was performing just fine. I never heard any complaints about it. Then all of a sudden bam, out of the blue it's announced they will be losing an iconic skill. In the first major patch AFTER an expansion launch. With no new skill to replace it. For excuses that aren't even addressed by its removal. And the only consolation we got is the guaranteed crit thing, which has a mountain of other problems with group synergy that make it sting just as much as soothe. There's no upside to this for anyone who liked the old SAM, no new flashy skill or altered rotation. There's no "Try it, you might like it!" You could try it before the patch, just remove the skill from the rotation. It sucked.

I hope this raises awareness of the problem on a larger scale. Certainly it's going to be a lot harder for them to prune DRG skills without players raising a stink.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Haha no I tried it, I can't.

What a shame. At least you have better class identity in FFXI than in FFXIV.

[Raoabolic]

What a shame. At least you have better class identity in FFXI than in FFXIV.

FFXI's Puppermaster class was the most fun classes I have ever played in an MMO. After seeing what they did with Blu I don't even want Pup to be on the table.

[Stormfur]

*pulls up a chair* Have a seat my melee friends and join the rest of us. We've been waiting for you.

Actually I like the new summoner. Some days I'm so mentally exhausted that I don't want to think about anything and just want to press buttons and see big shiny effects. So it's perfect for times like that.

But yeah, I foresee a lot more shiny animations and a lot more dumbed down rotations.

[Ath192]

Starting to log in less and less. Mind you not only because there’s no endgame but what is left has no replay-ability value. It’s all just dull.

I can’t in good conscience queue up for a roulette and convince myself that’s it going to be a good time or that I’ll be helping anyone. It’s just going to be another mindless run. So I just don’t anymore.

At least 6.1 will be good for a little bit.

[Sebazy]

LOL this is because they are doing this because it sells. Remember they made FFXIV 1.0 for you people it failed and they had to rebuild the entire game. They took away features you people like such as the Cross Class System. Strangers of Paradise which was made for again, you people it failed because no one bought it but you people. Games that you consider good or was made for you people tend to go free2play and die.

Remember fun to you guys is BDSM stuff you guys like your pain which you get pleasure from but call it an accomplishment. You people are still confused why so many people like New Game+ because most of the people play it for the story but since that is the reward you all see it as no reward and are utterly confused with things like that.

1.0 didn't fail because the latency and unresponsive controls made it feel worse than Quake95.exe on a shared 33.6k modem.

1.0 didn't fail because of a game world that was an empty and lifeless void of copy pasted jigsaw geometry.

1.0 didn't fail because it completely failed to cash in on the iconic final fantasy brand, instead going with a muddled pool of forgettable classes that had no clue what they wanted to be.

1.0 didn't fail because it tried to reboot a grindy time sink based horizontal MMO in a world that had been swept off it's feet by the vertical theme park concept.

No, it failed because it was 'challenging'

[Fourbestintoner]

Don't know what you're talking about, jobs are still very complex and unique.