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    Quote Originally Posted by 8BitKit View Post
    I appreciate that the head shape is unique, and everything stated today, and that it'll take more work, but we'd rather wait and get stuff that is of a quality matching the other races than just get rushed and continued to be treat as second class citizens.
    You all did wait! That's the problem! Almost three years you all waited! This is what you got for all that time. Maybe by 2026 you guys can get some hairstyles that include ears!

    You know entire games can be built in LESS time than it took them to come out with a handful of styles for hrothgar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    You all did wait! That's the problem! Almost three years you all waited! This is what you got for all that time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naoki_Yoshida View Post
    Personal Housing
    While I cannot give a specific date on when personal housing will be implemented, I can say that prices will be completely separate from free company housing, and, naturally, far more affordable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    You all did wait! That's the problem! Almost three years you all waited! This is what you got for all that time. Maybe by 2026 you guys can get some hairstyles that include ears!

    You know entire games can be built in LESS time than it took them to come out with a handful of styles for hrothgar?

    Yeah, like this game. They remade it entirely in less time than Hroths and Viera have been waiting for a basic feature.
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    The thing is, i could kind of understand if this was the work of an indie company(no meme intended this time), but this is a literal billion dollar company, that has seen supposedly the most player retention and sales highs than ever before. So why are we seeing less effort being put in and just…overall bad decisions? Between the hrothgar hairs, content overall, jobs being gutted and cut down…what is going on? At this point i’m starting to believe the factor here really is Yoshi P just being more invested in FF16 and just kind of done with this game. The laughter at Hroth players was essentially the nail in the coffin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    The thing is, i could kind of understand if this was the work of an indie company(no meme intended this time), but this is a literal billion dollar company, that has seen supposedly the most player retention and sales highs than ever before. So why are we seeing less effort being put in and just…overall bad decisions? Between the hrothgar hairs, content overall, jobs being gutted and cut down…what is going on? At this point i’m starting to believe the factor here really is Yoshi P just being more invested in FF16 and just kind of done with this game. The laughter at Hroth players was essentially the nail in the coffin.
    This game, from what I've heard, is pretty much SE's only big moneymaker. It just feels like the more popular this game has gotten, the worst it gets. I feel like they think people will just stick around, because it's FFXIV. That players won't question design decisions, because it's Yoshida, or whatever else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    This game, from what I've heard, is pretty much SE's only big moneymaker. It just feels like the more popular this game has gotten, the worst it gets. I feel like they think people will just stick around, because it's FFXIV. That players won't question design decisions, because it's Yoshida, or whatever else.
    FFXIV (2.0) is the game that dragged SE out of the mud and saved it from destined bankruptcy literally. And the overwhelming credits for that go to Yoshi P. clearly, which explains also why they let him rise so fast in the company ranks up to the position he is in at the moment.

    But yeah, the big reason for XIV getting more casual and tries to appeal to more and more audiences is probably cause shareholders like when stuff grows and XIV showed extreme potential.

    If you want to observe this btw you can google for the Square Enix stock and look at how the graph goes up and down on different dates. And then look up when expansions hit and XIV patches and keep in mind that this isn't the XIV stock but the whole big japanese gaming company. XIV has a huge gigantic influence on the stock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    The thing is, i could kind of understand if this was the work of an indie company(no meme intended this time), but this is a literal billion dollar company, that has seen supposedly the most player retention and sales highs than ever before. So why are we seeing less effort being put in and just…overall bad decisions? Between the hrothgar hairs, content overall, jobs being gutted and cut down…what is going on? At this point i’m starting to believe the factor here really is Yoshi P just being more invested in FF16 and just kind of done with this game. The laughter at Hroth players was essentially the nail in the coffin.
    Billion yen, maybe.
    That said them charging 40 bucks for a whale mount should've been more than enough to hire one or two full-time devs considering the average dev gets paid aproximately half that hourly in Japan. A little more or a little less depending on position and benefits.

    Which is part of my issue. I know people who fanta 5-6 times a month. This isn't a money issue. It never was a money issue. It isn't even a code issue because, again, this is client side nonsense.

    This is "we decided to ignore the problem". This is what caused 1.0's developmemt hell. All problems could be fixed later. All features can be added later. All bugs, graphical issues and glitches would be fixed later.

    It's concerning because it isn't just hair. Housing, PVP, instances/dungeons. Everything will be fixed later. Everything will be ironed out later.

    I played 1.0. I quite literally abandoned my account because of how bad it was but when I saw the effort put into ARR I decided it was worth returning even if it meant buying it again. What I'm seeing is similar to what I saw back then.

    Of course it isn't as bad because the game at least /functions/... for the time being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Denji View Post
    Billion yen, maybe.
    If you measure it by market cap, you could say dollars.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    FFXIV (2.0) is the game that dragged SE out of the mud and saved it from destined bankruptcy literally. And the overwhelming credits for that go to Yoshi P. clearly, which explains also why they let him rise so fast in the company ranks up to the position he is in at the moment.

    But yeah, the big reason for XIV getting more casual and tries to appeal to more and more audiences is probably cause shareholders like when stuff grows and XIV showed extreme potential.

    If you want to observe this btw you can google for the Square Enix stock and look at how the graph goes up and down on different dates. And then look up when expansions hit and XIV patches and keep in mind that this isn't the XIV stock but the whole big japanese gaming company. XIV has a huge gigantic influence on the stock.
    Yeah, you can see its contribution here, if you flip to page 9. It groups the operating income over 3 subcategories but I'd be interested to see if that's broken down by subcategory somewhere else; either way, they're attributing the rise in operating income within this category primarily to XIV. My guess would be XIV is outdoing the other subcategories in terms of operating income in relation to its share of sales revenue.
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    Last edited by Lauront; 04-12-2022 at 02:29 AM.
    When the game's story becomes self-aware:


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    Quote Originally Posted by SturmChurro View Post
    You all did wait! That's the problem! Almost three years you all waited! This is what you got for all that time. Maybe by 2026 you guys can get some hairstyles that include ears!

    You know entire games can be built in LESS time than it took them to come out with a handful of styles for hrothgar?
    Absolutely true. It's not like building an encounter that can literally take months or an entire expansion that takes two years...it's just giving us some hairstyles. 3 years and this is what they have to show for it? Inexcusable.

    How much you guys wanna bet that if there wasn't such a large uproar over this situation, then they would have left it as is?
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