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    Quote Originally Posted by PMSJordan View Post
    This is great for two main reasons and I will die on this hill!

    1) FC housing can house many different people unlike private housing.

    2) They make our neighborhood system much more alive since there’s more people in the neighborhood thanks to multiple people sharing a FC house.

    Also in patch 6.2 we get private Island sanctuaries which each come with their own house. This should help fill the need for private houses.
    And who says everyone gets into the Island Sanctuary? Also plenty of us want a home to enjoy without an FC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    And who says everyone gets into the Island Sanctuary? Also plenty of us want a home to enjoy without an FC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PMSJordan View Post
    Yoshi has also stated this is not anyway replacing housing as well. It is something completely different so until it drops and we learn more of it, i would not hold my breathe on count on it being actual housing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    And who says everyone gets into the Island Sanctuary? Also plenty of us want a home to enjoy without an FC.
    Sucks to suck then. Possible alternatives could be available, but you just want to disregard them because “I dun wanna”

    Quote Originally Posted by forsakee View Post
    FC should be capped at 1 house maybe 2 tops. The fact that square enix allows people to own 20 houses is mind blowing. They need to fix this nonsense
    Good news is that they can’t anymore. Now it’s just convincing them to give it up. Maybe the inability to make a resale will change things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violyre View Post
    Sucks to suck then. Possible alternatives could be available, but you just want to disregard them because “I dun wanna”



    Good news is that they can’t anymore. Now it’s just convincing them to give it up. Maybe the inability to make a resale will change things.
    They need to be forcefully ejected.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Violyre View Post
    Sucks to suck then. Possible alternatives could be available, but you just want to disregard them because “I dun wanna”



    Good news is that they can’t anymore. Now it’s just convincing them to give it up. Maybe the inability to make a resale will change things.
    Property taxes would help solve that problem.

    It could be set up so that on the first of every month your property taxes come due, but you have all month to pay them. If next month's taxes come due and you still haven't paid, then your house will be demolished. They could have it so you can have someone on your friends list pay them for you, which would make things fair for those who want to take a break.

    For the first house owned on an account, charge 50k for a small, 200k for a medium and 500k for a large. For the second house owned on an account, the taxes would be double, triple for the third and so on.
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    I'm all for focusing on collectives first, but when you screw over the possibilities of the individual for the collective then that's just communism, might wanna leave that to China, Square... Also, I could set up a shell company with my alts just to go for the large FC plots if I wanted to, a lot of people are already doing this, so this is meaningless. Just 50/50 it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Droxybrobotnik View Post
    I'm all for focusing on collectives first, but when you screw over the possibilities of the individual for the collective then that's just communism
    Japan is a capitalist democracy with an extremely collective-oriented culture. It should come as no surprise to us that their cultural norms are what they build the framework of the game on because that's how they think. In the case of housing, it would be better for the general player base for them to have much more in the way of personal housing options, absolutely. However; it's incumbent on we Western players to understand and respect that this is a game made by Japanese people who have a very different cultural outlook which influences their design decisions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr_Gyactus View Post
    why 10k? A server doesn't have so many active players and you can bet for a FC house OR a personal house.
    If you check out Lucky Bancho's recent census you'll see that servers can have 10,000 + active players registered on it even if the max load the server can handle is well below that. That's why we have Congested servers and queues...

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenril7 View Post
    Firmament was planned for well over two years, why did SE wait till patch morning to spring the 75% FC rule on us?
    1. It's no secret that the fundamental philosophy of housing has been an FC focused thing. They only added personal purchase options when a good portion of houses didn't sell and the player base saw something they didn't have and cried out to get it. It's quite lopsided, but having so many wards be FC only accomplishes two things-

    A. Gives FCs plenty of chances to buy a house if they don't have one or relocate if they want to move to Ishgard.

    B. Fits their philosophy of FCs being the priority while giving individuals some chance at getting a personal plot, even if it's at the lip service level.

    2. Prevent people from preparing shell FCs well ahead of time and cheesing the system even more than it's going to be cheesed. If you tell people that you can't trade FC ownership unless it has X number of players that have been in it for at least 30 days more than 30 days before opening housing it'll be a dumpster fire right out of the gates. Keeping things secret until the last minute is the only way they can prevent people from abusing the system. I think they learned the lesson that players will find a way to abuse any and all systems to get what they want even if it goes against the intention of the design. You can bet your sweet bippy that SE's been tracking housing data, have found the trends regarding shell FCs made for housing, and are well aware of people trading FCs for massive amounts of Gil and/or real money. The only way to deter/mitigate that is to give legit FCs the best opportunity to get a house as they can before the system abusers get into the game.
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    Last edited by Illmaeran; 04-14-2022 at 11:55 PM.

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    It's actually baffling how stupid this system is, 6 wards that's all non FCs get. There are a few of FC plots that has zero tickets because they got way too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ShyTheBard View Post
    It's actually baffling how stupid this system is, 6 wards that's all non FCs get. There are a few of FC plots that has zero tickets because they got way too much.

    Ayep.
    My FC has been waiting for ages and I got nearly all of them to enter the lotto on the same plot and it turns out the entire ward is just... empty. Entirely. We're even the only ones in the lotto for the house.

    Totally insane. Why.
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