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    Player Vryn's Avatar
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    Not at all. It attracts more sexually liberal people, especially with how good some of the glams are like the Nier set. I think it attracts people who are more into visuals, cosmetics and more casual gameplay. If I were more committed to a real-life community or family, FF14 or Gw2 would be my go-to because I can shape the game around my life, whereas Lost Ark and WoW make me shape my life around them, and that's 100% fine its just a different audience.

    I think it's weird that people somehow conflate looking good, having proper hygiene and overall not being a savage with the feminine when it's just having some class and not being a grubber. Both men and women play MMOs at high rates, even in games such as WoW and Lost Ark; MMOs, especially fantasy, promote an environment that can appeal to everyone. If you don't like an activity, you don't have to do the activity. Problems arise when activities such as Torghast force you to do content because now you're wasting your time on activities you don't value to reach the position you do, and that can feel like a job. No one wants that feeling like their trying to get a promotion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vryn View Post

    I think it's weird that people somehow conflate looking good, having proper hygiene and overall not being a savage with the feminine
    It's especially weird when a lot of the same guys glamorize the medieval ages.
    Heroes back then weren't said to be huge gritty muscle mountains and slobs.
    Today they'd be considered more feminine, they were more like Loras or Jamie in Game of Thrones in regards to looks and mannerism ( minus the evil side of Jamie ) rather than someone like Drogo.
    If you read historical documents about how people talked about kings and nobles there's a lot of fetishization about stuff like their legs and how handsome they were it almost reads like a womens magazine about celebrities.

    In the end of the day I think a lot of masculinity nowdays is often treated like overcompensation and trying to prove how not feminine you are.
    It's a lot more about insecurity, I've been doing bodybuilding and later moved over to power lifting for longer than a lot of people playing this game have been alive.
    I have a lot of experience interacting with people who do both professionally too and seeing new people come and go, and the people at top are some of the kindest, humble and most gentle people you'll ever meet.
    And I've seen so many countless people come and go who acted like they had something to prove and were deeply insecure about their masculinity and they were always the ones who tried the absolute hardest to '' be manly ''.

    I think it becomes apparent too when you hear a lot of guys talk about games and how aggressively against anything feminine so to speak they are, it's like they view it as a threat to them or something.
    And like they have to make sure that everyone around them knows how not into it they are.
    It just enters realms of absurdity so often.

    Edit : I think games like WoW and Lost Ark appeal more to that too with the more grindy and power creep, both games appeal more to try-harding and no-life:ing the games to prove yourself.
    FFXIV is more casual friendly and there's less gatekeeping to get involved with higher end content.
    Look at how much gold and how much irl cash that was that they spent on the World First in the WoW race, and how much grinding they did mid-race.
    And then there's the extreme p2w of Lost Ark and having to have a billion alts and do hours of dailies everyday etc.

    In FFXIV you can just buy the gear from the market board and it's not even that expensive and food buffs don't go away on death and aren't even that expensive, pots are quite cheap too.
    And that's it really, then you're ready to go in Savage.
    I think it attracts a different and more mature and relaxed kind of person while WoW and Lost Ark attracts and incentivizes more toxicity and dick-measurings.
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    Last edited by Kolsykol; 04-11-2022 at 12:29 AM.