New hrothgar hairstyles are really bad.

[Larirawiel]

I mean, maybe? But there's literally a unique face option that doesn't effect clipping at all. My character's mane clips through 80% of collared chest pieces anyways, so the clipping argument seems like a non issue at this point.

yeah but like half my glams my weapons and such will clip through my hoods. see: every caster robe ever, rebel coat, casual jacket, etc. even the level 50 whm robe you got back in arr clipped through canes. also when they introduced longer hairstyles for all races they were like "oh it may clip lmao".

so to suddenly care about clipping now is just absurd. like why.

It is only a speculation from my side. There can also be other reasons for this. Maybe they have set a kind of "budget" how many polygons or textures a player character can have. With the Bozja-NPC-options they would propably exceed it etc. Those "maximum value of something"-limits are not uncommon in software development. Otherwise they could run into massive performance problems or it could cause client crashes etc. And there are also consoles. They have other limits here and there and in those cases it is common to take the "least common denominator"-path.

I guess, they will lift many limits with 7.x.



Cheers

[Denji]

It is only a speculation from my side. There can also be other reasons for this. Maybe they have set a kind of "budget" how many polygons or textures a player character can have. With the Bozja-NPC-options they would propably exceed it etc. Those "maximum value of something"-limits are not uncommon in software development. Otherwise they could run into massive performance problems or it could cause client crashes etc. And there are also consoles. They have other limits here and there and in those cases it is common to take the "least common denominator"-path.

I guess, they will lift many limits with 7.x.



Cheers

I would be more willing to believe this if the game didn't already run perfectly fine for those who have broken the rules/tos and modified their client so that Hrothgar can use other hairstyles. Additionally Viera ears use way more resources.
Square doesn't need your help to make up scenarios to defend its decisions; they're perfectly capable of doing that themselves but choose not to.

[Larirawiel]

I would be more willing to believe this if the game didn't already run perfectly fine for those who have broken the rules/tos and modified their client so that Hrothgar can use other hairstyles. Additionally Viera ears use way more resources.
Square doesn't need your help to make up scenarios to defend its decisions; they're perfectly capable of doing that themselves but choose not to.

Maybe the game would run perfectly on your computer with some mods or equivalents. But the AMD Bulldozer fiasco showed, that there are players who play the game on computers which are 10+ years old. With an increased polygon count the game could become unplayable. And we do not know whether the mods work well with every graphical effect or not. I have seen some modded screenshots, which showed, that the mods had serious issues with some races.

Yes, the situation is not very good for Hrothgar players, i can understand it.



Cheers

[Denji]

Maybe the game would run perfectly on your computer with some mods or equivalents. But the AMD Bulldozer fiasco showed, that there are players who play the game on computers which are 10+ years old. With an increased polygon count the game could become unplayable. And we do not know whether the mods work well with every graphical effect or not. I have seen some modded screenshots, which showed, that the mods had serious issues with some races.

Yes, the situation is not very good for Hrothgar players, i can understand it.



Cheers

Again, you're ignoring that viera ears take more resources.

And again x2, square could just tell us why without you making increasingly specific scenarios

Cheers.

[Larirawiel]

Again, you're ignoring that viera ears take more resources.

And again x2, square could just tell us why without you making increasingly specific scenarios

Cheers.

Do you know it or do you ... guess it? To know it, you should make some benchmarks first. One million Bnuuys vs. one million Hrothgar? Which race will get more FPS?

There is a slogan in the software development industry: don't guess, measure!




Cheers

[Jason_Ashford]

Do you know it or do you ... guess it? To know it, you should make some benchmarks first. One million Bnuuys vs. one million Hrothgar? Which race will get more FPS?

There is a slogan in the software development industry: don't guess, measure!




Cheers

and where is your measurements? for someone chastising us for being angry, you sure are hypocritical for talking out your backside.

[Larirawiel]

and where is your measurements? for someone chastising us for being angry, you sure are hypocritical for talking out your backside.

I have never claimed, that it is a ressource thing. And i mentioned it before, that it is only a speculation from my side. But for me this speculation seems very likely because i am a software developer and i have also to watch some limits. Like a database query should not take longer than 500 milliseconds etc. Because it is annoying for the users when they have to wait.

And the only thing, which could work is when you vote with your wallet. Other feedback, many companies do not understand.

Cheers

[Rathmir]

Do you know it or do you ... guess it? To know it, you should make some benchmarks first. One million Bnuuys vs. one million Hrothgar? Which race will get more FPS?

There is a slogan in the software development industry: don't guess, measure!

Asked around for dropping some tests, and the results are... tad baffling.

Having a full vanilla Viera world has the same impact as higher poly + 4k textures Hroth.
Both vanilla gives 5-10% more fps with Hroth only.

No true measures set, but even those samples tell a bit about stuff, maybe. So let the results sink a bit.

I personally wont harass anyone, It wont get you anywhere. While a reply from a dev would be nice, at this point, with the hairstyles and ear chopping already in the games code-what is it going to get us?

It's a piece of meta data, and actually other races have a "Show<insert race here>Ear" (yes, all other races, too) flag, while Hroth and Viera have a "Show<Race>Hat" - Viera with the additon to (not) show ears as well already. So maybe they're already working for a Viera like solution. But my guess stays like stated a text before: Squeenix seems more likely to chop our ears after all.
Additionally not only with helmets, but also hair styles, with bad luck. It's a quick and easy solution to deliver anything, literally.


With all that extremely vague information set so close to release date, I let do the +20% insecurity do their work. And just wait for the final results before an unnecessary war will be started (or more likely joined) by my side. No need to yourselves ruin the weekend, yes-no?

[Larirawiel]

Asked around for dropping some tests, and the results are... tad baffling.

Having a full vanilla Viera world has the same impact as higher poly + 4k textures Hroth.
Both vanilla gives 5-10% more fps with Hroth only.

No true measures set, but even those samples tell a bit about stuff, maybe. So let the results sink a bit.

OK, thank you.


Zepla has made a video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16XR24yDYn4

She finds, it is really bad. And i agree with her.


Cheers

[ItsVox]

I'd love to hear the rational from Square about why they feel the need to shaft the Hrothgar player base like this. I honestly feel TERRIBLE for anyone holding their breath for FemHroth, especially if the best they can do is cut our ears off and still expect us to pay rl money to try or swap to recycled hairstyles.