PvP Rewards New and Old - Why repeat past mistakes?

[Iscah]

Well, that and this season is literally a rerun of the Garo gear. That has to be licensed and everything so most likely this is kind of a test run to see how reception is. My guess is that no one is going to like rotating armor sets and we'll return to better systems that give accessibility through personal effort, rather than being present for a limited time offer.

I don't think the Garo gear is the season reward, just a separate return of the gear being available.

They showed the season prize in the presentation: ominous black and red armour.

[Ixon]

and that comes at a detriment to everyone else

I would be curious as to how someone NOT getting an item is a detriment? Does it really deter you from enjoying the game that much? I know what you will say, you're not going to answer and just say "How is it a detriment to you if I have it?". Duplication of old rewards not only prevents veterans from having a goal to work towards in a given season, but also devalues the meaning behind said rewards. You essentially cut the value of what an item is worth when you duplicate it to make it more for other players.

The difference is that in real life I can reach the same pinnacle of success by achieving the same feat that person did

Absolutely correct. And you can do the same thing by achieving the reward the next time it comes around, like you would do in the real world.

I am advocating for a similarly shared reward for such an achievement within the game

They are dropping a new, unique armor set just like they dropped a unique armor set in the past.

Again with the gatekeeping

No one here is gatekeeping. Please, I implore you to try out the new PVP and take a serious jab at the ranked PVP, you may just like it, the more the merrier. The more competition the better!

To push the idea again that your achievements must be represented

This isn't a unique thing though? The people AFking in Limsa with their Ultimate weapons is proof of that.

Unless the only thing you want is dead content that gives you a reward you can use to mine salt

I wear it cause I like it. That's it. And it's unique. Makes me feel special. Same with people who wear ultimate weapons and titles, same with people who use rare mounts, it's all a showcase.

I'm guessing it will remain the same in spite of the new coat of paint given the same carrot and stick is being kept comfortably where it is just to appease a few hundred people.

This one doesn't make sense to me. They are removing, the unique armor, the thing that only 100 people per data center got, available to a INFINITE amount of people, just by AFKing in frontlines. They moved the carrot on a stick from the competitive players who enjoy competitive PVP and have now placed it in front of the 0 kills/0 assists/23 deaths Frontlines player. What seems more unfair in that scenario?

It's actually quite disconcerting to see, and it's an unfair assumption on my part that I'm not surprised to see someone from the PvP scene reacting this way.

If you mean you are surprised someone like me could have a thought out, meaningful, discussion with another person despite conflicting opinions, then I am glad I could accommodate. I find it very nice to have discussions where two people can have two completely separate ideals and points of view, and discuss them in a respectable way without resorting to wishing that the game mode one player enjoys fails just because the other could not(currently) get what they want.

[Zetlin]

I would be curious as to how someone NOT getting an item is a detriment? Does it really deter you from enjoying the game that much? I know what you will say, you're not going to answer and just say "How is it a detriment to you if I have it?". Duplication of old rewards not only prevents veterans from having a goal to work towards in a given season, but also devalues the meaning behind said rewards. You essentially cut the value of what an item is worth when you duplicate it to make it more for other players.


Absolutely correct. And you can do the same thing by achieving the reward the next time it comes around, like you would do in the real world.


They are dropping a new, unique armor set just like they dropped a unique armor set in the past.


No one here is gatekeeping. Please, I implore you to try out the new PVP and take a serious jab at the ranked PVP, you may just like it, the more the merrier. The more competition the better!


This isn't a unique thing though? The people AFking in Limsa with their Ultimate weapons is proof of that.


I wear it cause I like it. That's it. And it's unique. Makes me feel special. Same with people who wear ultimate weapons and titles, same with people who use rare mounts, it's all a showcase.


This one doesn't make sense to me. They are removing, the unique armor, the thing that only 100 people per data center got, available to a INFINITE amount of people, just by AFKing in frontlines. They moved the carrot on a stick from the competitive players who enjoy competitive PVP and have now placed it in front of the 0 kills/0 assists/23 deaths Frontlines player. What seems more unfair in that scenario?


If you mean you are surprised someone like me could have a thought out, meaningful, discussion with another person despite conflicting opinions, then I am glad I could accommodate. I find it very nice to have discussions where two people can have two completely separate ideals and points of view, and discuss them in a respectable way without resorting to wishing that the game mode one player enjoys fails just because the other could not(currently) get what they want.

I think we have moved past the point of reasonable conversation. To call this unhinged would be generous. It's one thing to have a debate, but to misquote and misrepresent what I've said like this is just too far.

[Moonlite]

I agree with the poster you quoted No award in the game should be subject to FOMO! Every reward should be permanently attainable as long as you are wiling to put in the effort to get them. That includes Garo. That includes past Feast top 100 rewards all of it.

You do know Garo is a borrowed license and they have to negotiate the length of time? Just like when you see old tv shows that have new soundtracks, the deal they made had run out. Now if you want to ask/tell dev team only SE events so SE can control them that is cool. But also means probably never getting the chance of a non SE event.

[redheadturk]

You do know Garo is a borrowed license and they have to negotiate the length of time? Just like when you see old tv shows that have new soundtracks, the deal they made had run out. Now if you want to ask/tell dev team only SE events so SE can control them that is cool. But also means probably never getting the chance of a non SE event.

A contract running out does not mean the need to remove things already present. Only if the parent company tells them to do so, in which case people who had already earned the mounts/gear would have them taken away. As long as they are still in the game, they can be moved to a currency vendor.

[Ransu]

A contract running out does not mean the need to remove things already present. Only if the parent company tells them to do so, in which case people who had already earned the mounts/gear would have them taken away. As long as they are still in the game, they can be moved to a currency vendor.

That's not how it works...

[SeiyaSoiya]

That's not how it works...

you seem to know a lot about how the garo licensing contract with creative business III and A Realm Reborn (tm): Final Fantasy XIV Online (r) works

[Ixon]

"The term licensing agreement refers to a legal, written contract between two parties wherein the property owner gives permission to another party to use their brand, patent, or trademark. The agreement, which is set between the licensor (the property owner) and the licensee (the permitted party), contains details on the type of licensing agreement, the terms of usage, and how the licensor is to be compensated. Contract types vary based on what is being licensed. Licensing agreements also alleviate any disputes related to sales, issues of quality, and royalties."

Which means one of two things: SE either paid the Garo franchise a large, one time, lump sum to have the agreed upon Garo assets available for a set time frame, or SE was consistently paying revenue over a indefinite period till they decided that they did not want to pay for it anymore. Or maybe even a combination of both. I also assume that the contract only includes the agreed upon assets, and to add in new assets would require a new contract, which was why they could not simply add in post HW job gear. Not to mention there might have been a sleuth of legalities and potential disputes also getting in the way that are very common in these types of agreements.

You wouldn't be mind zapped from watching a show on Netflix that Netflix doesn't host anymore due to an end of a licensing agreement, and of the same mind that's why the assets remained. SE was paying for the right to distribute the agreed upon Garo assets over a set period of time, but those assets would still remain as per my previous example. This goes hand in hand with every other collab event that requires these type of licensing agreement similar to the Yokai Watch event.

[Aubrey_A]

As someone who avidly plays PvP and who has placed top 100 in a few seasons, I really empathize with @Ixon's standpoint. The most recent official response I can recollect was back at the Korean Fan Festival Q&A Corner.

I have attached that link here: https://translate.google.com/transla...F55927097.html

The question and answer I'm referring to (translated):

Q. Are you planning to make a way to get past Feast reward mounts?

A. No. I think that mount was the result of efforts to get into the ranking at that time. Yoshida P himself also thinks that it is important to have such rare items as a gamer.

The thought of the items being re-released irks me for all the effort that went in at that point in time for something that seemingly looked like it would never be re-run. I don't think that sense of urgency could be replicated in such a way to justify a re-release of these items.

On the other hand, the thought of these items falling to obscurity due to lack of use also irks me. Against my personal feelings the feast rewards should be re-obtainable in some way. I just hope that if they are to be re-released (or continue to be re-skinned), there is an equal investment to what was required in past feast seasons.

A potential solution could be to run limited quantities of these past feast rewards (~50) on a cycle through every feast season. It gives new players the opportunity to obtain these items, but keeps them in a small enough quantity to create competition for them. This also gives the guarantee that every can obtain one, so long as they compete for it. The reward you are looking for may be gone during that season, but it is not gone forever.

At the end of the day, I would want the average player to see these rewards, and be incentivized to both partake in PvP, and become better at it.

[Moonlite]

A contract running out does not mean the need to remove things already present. Only if the parent company tells them to do so, in which case people who had already earned the mounts/gear would have them taken away. As long as they are still in the game, they can be moved to a currency vendor.

I only have what SE has said to go on. The contract could literally say anything. I don't trust SE. But I have no reason to doubt them in this situation.