PvP Rewards New and Old - Why repeat past mistakes?

[Iscah]

In fact, the idea that 'everyone should be able to get everything' is absolutely crazy to me. Everything would be dull and unchanging in that regards.

Accessibility of the items has nothing to do with the game evolving or stagnating. All it means is that when a new gear piece is released, everyone has the ongoing ability to use that outfit on their character.

Ultimately, those prize glamours take up development time and resources that could otherwise be spent making an outfit that everyone can have forever. It's a lot more of an investment than typing a few letters together to create a title.

as for it being a game thats a rubbish excuse... i mean footballs a game so can i go and get my england caps even though i never played in the 2002 world cup or whatever year it was.. i mean those players have had it long enough right and it is just a game after all...

how about olympic medals.. i mean i didnt take part in the 2012 olympics but id sure like some gold medals.... surely those athletes have had them long enough.. and the olympics are just games after all...

The difference is, out in the real world if you really wanted to own those things, you could make a replica. There is nothing physically stopping you from doing so, or wearing a perfect copy of the 2012 Olympic team's uniform, or whatever takes your fancy.

In the game, we are restricted to what the developers let us have access to, and can't get a copy unless they say so.

[Zetlin]

I have yet to see any good argument as to why PvP is required to have a reward system that expires to show accomplishment in that part of the game. Does it just make it inherently better for you to gatekeep something specifically because it's PvP and that's part of the experience for you? I won't lie, that's a really shit attitude but that's what I'm picking up from the posts here. Exclusivity because something is challenging/difficult and exclusivity because a season rolled over are very different things. Regardless, you still get to flex your rare thing and everyone wins. A lot of what I'm reading in this thread comes off as toxic gatekeeping and if anything the people arguing for it are the selfish entitled group that want to keep their ball to themselves. Nothing else in this game is held in that way and thinking you should be the exception is laughable to me.

Let's do a thought exercise. Imagine the Necromancer title from PoTD being 5000% easier, but you could only get it for one six month period and then PoTD is completely replaced with HoH and then again for the another deep dungeon. The rarity of that title and the flex of owning it remains the same. Are you genuinely telling me that you would rather have less difficult worse content that fewer players interact with.... because you want to have something exclusive. And let's not be mistaken here, it's exclusive for the sole purpose of getting people to actually interact with that bad content and not only that the exclusivity results in people not even doing it properly or enjoying it. So you're telling me you would agree to take all of those compounding negatives cutting your own nose of to spite your face, for what purpose? Just because you want to feel superior for having started playing this game at the correct time to get that cool thing? It's absolute madness when you actually just lay out the facts of the matter.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

I'm actually genuinely amazed by the amount of people who probably never put a single bit of effort at getting close to top 100 trying to sell me what is and isn't a good top 100 reward I should strive for.

Like for real? Titles and calling cards? We already got titles for Top 1, Top 10 and Top 100, along with tiered titles and I have hardly seen anyone rock these vs. a "legend" title or one better fitting to their character. Do you really think that will encourage anyone to go for ranked PvP? We had the most boring seasons even when we had mounts because said mounts were often either not very interesting or another recolour. If mounts hardly make us play, what do you guys actually think will entice anyone to sweat in ranked and get good?

I totally get that the general reward structure should have been better a long time ago and nice looking armour sets should also be made for the more casual pvp community - and rewards below top 100 should also be better than just collars that don't even make up for one weapon.

But I am getting really fed up with you all trying to dictate what is and isn't a worthy reward for me to obtain when competing with the best players of my datacenter based on your feely-feel-theorycrafting and anti-FOMO-crackpipes. Ranked **should** be rewarding and mere titles and calling cards literally aren't that.

[Zetlin]

I'm actually genuinely amazed by the amount of people who probably never put a single bit of effort at getting close to top 100 trying to sell me what is and isn't a good top 100 reward I should strive for.

Like for real? Titles and calling cards? We already got titles for Top 1, Top 10 and Top 100, along with tiered titles and I have hardly seen anyone rock these vs. a "legend" title or one better fitting to their character. Do you really think that will encourage anyone to go for ranked PvP? We had the most boring seasons even when we had mounts because said mounts were often either not very interesting or another recolour. If mounts hardly make us play, what do you guys actually think will entice anyone to sweat in ranked and get good?

I totally get that the general reward structure should have been better a long time ago and nice looking armour sets should also be made for the more casual pvp community - and rewards below top 100 should also be better than just collars that don't even make up for one weapon.

But I am getting really fed up with you all trying to dictate what is and isn't a worthy reward for me to obtain when competing with the best players of my datacenter based on your feely-feel-theorycrafting and anti-FOMO-crackpipes. Ranked **should** be rewarding and mere titles and calling cards literally aren't that.

You're right, it should have all of those rewards and you should feel good about doing it. We just want to see those things remain achievable. It doesn't negate your achievement that someone else can also do it also.

[Zetlin]

You may not like it but it's true. The glams / mounts / minions etc are all trophies. And as such are intended to keep there significance or meaning. This is why they were made rare / limited in the first place...

It's the same principle behind locking the glamours behind ultimates. Because just like pvp. Those glamours ARE the trophies. And the devs have said many times that they will never hand them out because doing so destroys there significance and what they represent.. Same goes again for things like the legacy tattoo and chocobo... they stand for and represent something. So they will not just make them available to everyone just because they want it.

So if you weren't there or didn't do the thing.. Then nope. You can't have the shiny thing. stop being selfish.

Do you really believe anyone in this thread is asking for a handout when they just want the ability to do the same thing you did to get the same reward? And you're calling me the selfish one, it's hilarious. Please stop the poor arguments they hurt me.

[Ixon]

You're right, it should have all of those rewards and you should feel good about doing it. We just want to see those things remain achievable. It doesn't negate your achievement that someone else can also do it also.

The issue is without a time machine, you cannot replicate the effort needed for a particular season. So how do you make it achievable in a way to make it even remotely comparable to what someone had to do before? Feast has had a long history, with many highs and lows, many different metas, and a lot of additional circumstances surrounding each individuals experience. For example, how do you replicate the fact that many people had to sit in queue for hours just for a pop due to their role, just to get an insta loss in 2min? Some things you just can't reproduce in a way that doesn't feel like you are undermining the achievement of someone else. All they can do is make a new experience for new and veteran players to enjoy to prove their worth now. It's about the only thing that has any real worth in game anymore.

[Caurcas]

So you should have the only time exclusive glam/mounts rewards because you played a poorly thought out game mode and wasted a lot of time?

[Zetlin]

For example, how do you replicate the fact that many people had to sit in queue for hours just for a pop due to their role, just to get an insta loss in 2min? Some things you just can't reproduce in a way that doesn't feel like you are undermining the achievement of someone else.

I'm sorry you had to suffer through hours long queues to achieve something. I understand wanting to hold onto it because otherwise you would feel you are being robbed of that self flagellating experience. I'd like to open your mind to the idea that you were robbed of a good experience in the first place. It's literally in the title of this post for a reason, avoiding past mistakes. Part of that is coming to terms with why PvP is changing, and what needs to happen for the whole community to improve it. It sucks Square ignored this problem or bandaged over it for so long that so many people think it's a good thing. It's about looking forward and I see no reason to hold in high regard the mistakes of the past simply because it makes the minority of players feel better about themselves for suffering through Square's previous poor attempts at PvP.

[Ixon]

Wild takes. "The items should be for everyone because it was bad so who cares?" Or maybe, just maybe, you can accept that not everything in the world is made for you, chances pass you by, and some chances you never had a chance to take. That's just, life. I have two perspectives from this: the first are the earliest rewards, where I either wasn't playing much at the time, or was playing but not interested in PVP. Do I feel I should have a chance at those rewards? No. I have no expectation or obligation for them, and congrats to those who do have them. Here is the other one, two seasons in a row I tried and FAILED to get top 100. Two times. Back to back. Missed them both by roughly a single games worth of points I was that close. Do I feel like I should have a 2nd chance at those? No. I was not good enough and did not put in enough time to earn it. As much as I wanted those, I didn't earn them even with a chance at them.

Now you ask me, should someone like Caurcas here who appears to have had the opportunity to work for the ranked Feast rewards but didn't, should have a chance when they willingly let them all pass them by? Again, I say no. Now for the new players who just started, I don't understand why they feel like they should have a chance to get rewards for a competition that were years before they even started playing. These are all moot points in the end. The things people don't have they will want, and the coveted things people worked hard for they don't feel should be given out.

To address your comments and the title of their post, they are. They are moving all the "cool" rewards to the ones you can get by AFKing in Frontlines, and making the ranked rewards titles and Calling Cards no one will pay much attention too. You can cry FOMO, but it's going to be like an 8-month FOMO. If you can't even AFK in Frontlines over a span of 8-months, or aren't even a sub to the game, I don't understand why you feel entitled to those rewards. I am glad that SE is tying to hold even a shred of players accountable, and is trying as hard as he can't to keep the only real competitive side of FFXIV alive.

[Ransu]

You're right, it should have all of those rewards and you should feel good about doing it. We just want to see those things remain achievable. It doesn't negate your achievement that someone else can also do it also.

It absolutely does negate his achievements.