The Dead Ends is brutal for tanks, I end up quitting any random queues for this duty

[HisShadowX]

There isn't any problem with it. It's not hard keep the group alive as a tank (that is not DRK) since they all have good mitigations and a lot of heal/sustain. WAR and PLD are the best for keeping the group alive without a healer, and me and other people often run this dungeon without any healers (but I have to agree that having someone to esuna is nice if people happen to take AoEs in the first boss by accident, so we often run with a BRD).

If anything, consider using Reprisal on AoEs as often as you can, and if you're healing as PLD (as I'm assuming since your profile says so) you can do that during Requiescat to get instant heals for your DPS before your Confiteor combo, or use Intervention on them if you don't want do lose your own dps or if Requiescat is on cooldown, gives them a nice regen while there's no upcoming damage for a while. Holy Spirit also procs Divine Veil shield for them and there's also Passage of Arms that you can weave between GCDs if you manage to hit your group with it, usually good for stack mechanics since everyone should be close to you.

The few times I've let people die (usually because all mitigations were on cooldown) I've noticed I could've used Tank Limit Break before the AoE, so I'm working on that so I don't have to rely on healers at all.

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A tank should never be the healer for the dungeon. That some people consider this normal is horrible.

[HyoMinPark]

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A tank should never be the healer for the dungeon. That some people consider this normal is horrible.

I mean, using your toolkit is fairly normal, I’d say. That would include Holy Spirit/Holy Circle, which start restoring HP at level 84, and using Holy Sheltron. For WAR, it means using Bloodwhetting; for GNB, HoC. Sadly, DRK only has Abyssal Drain, but it should still be used to some self-healing boost.

I’ve done this dungeon plenty of times. The only time there’s an issue is when you have people ignoring a significant portion of their toolkit. In the case of tanks, that’s usually their mitigatives and self-healing abilities.

[ValStryder]

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A tank should never be the healer for the dungeon. That some people consider this normal is horrible.

While this is normally true....the PLD is built to be able to do that without an issue. If you're not doing it then you're not using your full kit and should be ashamed. Clemency at the very least serves as somewhat of a tank cooldown. (GNB gets a 10% reduction, PLD gets Clem - which is actually better imo)

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Just to add, as a GNB, with significantly less self healing than you have as a PLD, I have not once had any issue with Dead Ends except on Day 1 when NOBODY knew what to do.

[Hyuinn]

While this is normally true....the PLD is built to be able to do that without an issue. If you're not doing it then you're not using your full kit and should be ashamed. Clemency at the very least serves as somewhat of a tank cooldown. (GNB gets a 10% reduction, PLD gets Clem - which is actually better imo)

EDIT:
Just to add, as a GNB, with significantly less self healing than you have as a PLD, I have not once had any issue with Dead Ends except on Day 1 when NOBODY knew what to do.

Clemency it's not really better because you stop hitting things to do it. It's for emergencies or roleplay only. Intervention it's a lot better since heals the same amount (over 12sec) and reduces damage taken on top of that, without having to spend a requiescat stack or casting a 0 damage spell. The only catch is that it's a regen so it might not be enough if done too late.

[HisShadowX]

Let's just say I have a "feeling" that the OP doesn't use Holy Spirit, Holy Circle, Arms Length, Reprisal, Goring Blade, Fight or Flight or Low Blow at all, mostly ignores Intervene and maybe uses 2-3 Rampart and Sentinel per Expert.

Just a "hunch".

I'm sure it's those evil dps healers really.

Are you the same guy who after posting this is going into other threads claiming I don't use such and such because you posted this message lol

While this is normally true....the PLD is built to be able to do that without an issue. If you're not doing it then you're not using your full kit and should be ashamed. Clemency at the very least serves as somewhat of a tank cooldown. (GNB gets a 10% reduction, PLD gets Clem - which is actually better imo)

EDIT:
Just to add, as a GNB, with significantly less self healing than you have as a PLD, I have not once had any issue with Dead Ends except on Day 1 when NOBODY knew what to do.

To clarify I do not just use a PLD I have maxed every tank class except Warrior and will never max a Warrior out. https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...cter/22831323/

Healers are expected to dispel too.

If you get that debuff on first boss, you're dead if it's not dispelled. That's what he's complaining about.

I get a lot of dps that stand in stuff and healers that don't use esuna, but rather try to heal through it...

I just was in the level 50 dungeon with Diablos as the boss and the Healer refused to use Esuna. The tank had eventually has four poisons on him. My general rule is when leveling trying to work new Tanks and Healers but this run was horrible. Tank did pull way to much his first time pulling but yeah once the tank adjusted his pulls since the Healer didn't heal or use Esuna it was a horrible run. Esuna is a good send I wish more people would use it.

Unrelated to the quoted post, my worst case with this one was a healer that apparently did not believe that the debuff was causing them to die, despite me saying several times. When they finally esuna'd the debuff, they obviously lived. This is also explaining that they got it from standing in AoEs, and they still didn't dodge them. This is the only bad time I have had in this dungeon and it was literally because the healer did not take the advice on what the boss does and how to handle the debuff. Unfortunately, I think I was on DRK at the time, so I couldn't just solo the boss down easily, but this is a prime example of why you should listen to others and take their advice and do not try and correct them despite not knowing yourself. The rest of the run was fine with no issues after that.

I think we all had that moment where we thought we knew what we were doing but after you wipe a couple times its sort of obvious. Now in your situation what would suck is if you were the tank and both the DPS and the Healer blamed you because of the wipes.

[Liam_Harper]

Are you the same guy who after posting this is going into other threads claiming I don't use such and such because you posted this message lol

If you're straight up blaming others for your own faults, expect to be called out for it.

You aren't using "such and such". You're missing half your toolkit. It's just fact. That in itself is fine, if I see a new player making mistakes but with the right attitude that's no problem. But your attitude is terrible.

You attacked healers for not healing you. It turned out to be your gameplay. Just learn from it, maybe post a thread and ask for tips on being a better tank. Practice your mitigation. Read a guide or two on your rotation. People will respect you more and be happy to help. It'll mean you end up contributing more to your team and your runs will feel smoother overall. Win-win really.

[HisShadowX]

If you're straight up blaming others for your own faults, expect to be called out for it.

You aren't using "such and such". You're missing half your toolkit. It's just fact. That in itself is fine, if I see a new player making mistakes but with the right attitude that's no problem. But your attitude is terrible.

You attacked healers for not healing you. It turned out to be your gameplay. Just learn from it, maybe post a thread and ask for tips on being a better tank. Practice your mitigation. Read a guide or two on your rotation. People will respect you more and be happy to help. It'll mean you end up contributing more to your team and your runs will feel smoother overall. Win-win really.

So wait, when you post something and asking me or accusing me of something you are going to go into every other thread as if I answered when I did not and claim because you asked the question it means I answered when I didn't?

I never responded to you, you do not know what I have been using. The only reason why I am responding now because find it a little insane.

So using your logic, I am going to ask you if you are a toad and because I asked I will now insist you somehow responded to something you never responded to.

[Bad_Luck]

Healers are expected to dps, use the skills you have.

[Hyuinn]

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A tank should never be the healer for the dungeon. That some people consider this normal is horrible.

I agree that I shouldn't be, however there were times that I needed to, and that's why I started working on myself to not rely on them as much (or at all).