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  1. #2951
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    And I look forward to what is your perceived reception from FF players of Final Fantasy: Australian Safari while I am busy going off on a Dragon-Age style quest with Clive and his companions in FFXVI.
    Hate to disappoint, but I'll probably be thoroughly enjoying myself on the "safari" and playing FFXVI. People that agree with you are always welcome to vote with their wallets, but since so far it doesn't seem like any locale in FFXIV has been divisive enough to cause the mass exodus supposedly around the corner, then I don't think 7.0 will be the exception.
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    If it wasn't for that point made trying to combat the people who said they would like to see indigenous inspo in Meracydia as opposed to just colonialist Australia or a made up western kingdom, this wouldn't be a racist argument but unfortunately it is. All I'm hearing is "people want sophisticated western culture not indigenous savagery."
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    To be fair, Stormblood was arguably saved by the inclusion of the Far East and was unlikely to stand on its own two feet as well as it did had it been limited exclusively to the Gyr Abania region.

    I'm not entirely against the inclusion of more exotic locales in the future, though such regions are generally handled with a delicate pair of gloves due to a portion of the game's community embracing concepts such as 'cultural appropriation' as seen here:

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...attire-in-game
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  4. #2954
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    If one of the previous comments was supposed to resolve my fundamental lack of interest in locations outside Europe and Asia in terms of the video games I choose to purchase, it has not accomplished the desired goal.

    You will not succeed in swaying me to your side with that approach.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    To be fair, Stormblood was arguably saved by the inclusion of the Far East and was unlikely to stand on its own two feet as well as it did had it been limited exclusively to the Gyr Abania region.

    I'm not entirely against the inclusion of more exotic locales in the future, though such regions are generally handled with a delicate pair of gloves due to a portion of the game's community embracing concepts such as 'cultural appropriation' as seen here:

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...attire-in-game
    Yotsuyu and the Far East were what saved Stormblood for me, and for many people in fact. This is not an uncommon opinion. I am also unsurprised that a thread was created about that particular piece of glamour. I can only imagine that in a New World expansion that certain players would take offense to the addition of more indigenous glamours despite apparently been so in favor of an expansion set away from Europe/Asia.

    There's no real way to please them it seems, goodness knows that if I were in the position to decide where things go from here I would do things my way regardless of their ever-changing whims and rules.
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    Last edited by aveyond-dreams; 04-01-2022 at 12:24 PM.
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  5. #2955
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    If one of the previous comments was supposed to resolve my fundamental lack of interest in locations outside Europe and Asia in terms of the video games I choose to purchase, it has not accomplished the desired goal.

    You will not succeed in swaying me to your side with that approach.
    Pretty sure nobody cares about swaying you. Nobody cares about you renewing your sub. Nobody cares about you playing other games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I'm not entirely against the inclusion of more exotic locales in the future, though such regions are generally handled with a delicate pair of gloves due to a portion of the game's community embracing concepts such as 'cultural appropriation' as seen here:

    https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...attire-in-game

    I mean, to be completely fair, cultural appropriation is definitely a problem in FFXIV, but it's kind of a drop in the bucket. But between appropriation and exclusion, the former is the lesser of two evils.
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    Last edited by CrownySuccubus; 04-01-2022 at 12:21 PM.

  6. #2956
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    If one of the previous comments was supposed to resolve my fundamental lack of interest in locations outside Europe and Asia in terms of the video games I choose to purchase, it has not accomplished the desired goal.

    You will not succeed in swaying me to your side with that approach.
    Once again, I promise that nobody here is particularly worried about swaying you or resolving your lack of interest regarding anything in particular. By all means, enjoy Elden Ring and Dragon Age and FFXVI. Have fun!
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  7. #2957
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    I don’t think anyone is trying to persuade you, they’re just pointing out the way to the door, since a lot of your posts in this thread are about how much you’d like to leave…
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus View Post
    I mean, to be completely fair, cultural appropriation is definitely a problem in FFXIV, but it's kind of a drop in the bucket. But between appropriation and exclusion, the former is the lesser of two evils.
    I actually have a lot of unease about the possibility of a focus on the New World, because how they've handled elements of it, or elements adjacent to it so far, do not fill me with a lot of reassurance about being respectful or avoiding caricatures - but then again, I did really enjoy Thavnair and thought it was handled well, so who knows?
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    Well you're honest about your racism at the very least.
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  10. #2960
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    Despite my issues with EW, I’m participating in this (and other threads) because I love this game and how Venat was written is an issue towards my enjoyment.

    If I was concerned the devs were unable or unwilling to keep on making a product I was interested in, I’d simply unsubscribe and play something else. Pretending like I must be catered to or the devs “will be sorry” because “everyone secretly agrees with me” is a pointless enterprise. The expac I wanted from EW probably would have been deeply unpopular; I can acknowledge the unpopularity of my views and still hope that my thoughts and concerns reach the devs. A minority voice is still valuable—sometimes, the most valuable.
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