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    Quote Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer View Post
    Also labeling folks that may want this as people who "lack confidence and are in dire need of representation" is very narrowminded. People aren't just black n white with these things.

    Are these western values? Yes. Is it a Japanese game? Yes. But is I'm made for a global audience? Sure is. So imo that isn't out of line at all. The devs have already shown they care about that sort of thing with making things like dresses unisex
    Narrowminded? I don't see any other honest terms to describe them by. If you want more of your "global audience" values then other games are for you. I don't want to see this game drifting away to appeal to Europe and USA gaming communities' values more than the Japanese values. Every other MMO is already doing that and it's more than enough. People should understand and be fine if X number of characters aren't the same as your colorskin. Aren't the same as your hairstyle. If you're not fine with that then you have a serious confidence issue that instead of solving it you're trying to demand of others sympathy and representation of you.
    And no, unisex dresses are only a thing because of profit.

    Quote Originally Posted by AziraSyuren View Post
    Not entirely true. It's just that, when Japanese writers write PoC, you end up getting characters like Superalloy Darkshine.

    And you'd have to be purposefully obtuse or dense to not see how horrendously racist that character is.

    Maybe you have figured out why but that's because the devs live in a Japanese society where they barely get to interact with other skin-colors people. Especially if they live away from where tourists are usually seen. Instead of asking the devs to change, why not accept their culture? If someone has the right to demand a X colorskin character in a game developed in the otherside of the world. Then a japanese person has the right to demand a japanese character or anything to their fancies in western games. It also means everyone get the right to demand a character or more up to whatever their mind fancies without someone saying No.
    You see how horrible that is? No? Wait until everyone moves on to the next level when everyone start doing that. Instead of accepting others and their work and culture as they're, we're trying to change it to whatever we fancies and not what them or others fancies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranel_San View Post
    Narrowminded? I don't see any other honest terms to describe them by. If you want more of your "global audience" values then other games are for you. I don't want to see this game drifting away to appeal to Europe and USA gaming communities' values more than the Japanese values. Every other MMO is already doing that and it's more than enough. People should understand and be fine if X number of characters aren't the same as your colorskin. Aren't the same as your hairstyle. If you're not fine with that then you have a serious confidence issue that instead of solving it you're trying to demand of others sympathy and representation of you.
    And no, unisex dresses are only a thing because of profit.




    Maybe you have figured out why but that's because the devs live in a Japanese society where they barely get to interact with other skin-colors people. Especially if they live away from where tourists are usually seen. Instead of asking the devs to change, why not accept their culture? If someone has the right to demand a X colorskin character in a game developed in the otherside of the world. Then a japanese person has the right to demand a japanese character or anything to their fancies in western games. It also means everyone get the right to demand a character or more up to whatever their mind fancies without someone saying No.
    You see how horrible that is? No? Wait until everyone moves on to the next level when everyone start doing that. Instead of accepting others and their work and culture as they're, we're trying to change it to whatever we fancies and not what them or others fancies.
    Well said. It's cultural colonisation at its best. If you disagree well then you are (insert petty insult here). And this ofc only works this way, both ways is unacceptable
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jin- View Post
    Well said. It's cultural colonisation at its best. If you disagree well then you are (insert petty insult here). And this ofc only works this way, both ways is unacceptable
    I'm going to admit, I may indeed be terrible at delivering the message, but I see my point has reached you and that's what I care most about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kranel_San View Post
    Narrowminded? I don't see any other honest terms to describe them by. If you want more of your "global audience" values then other games are for you. I don't want to see this game drifting away to appeal to Europe and USA gaming communities' values
    It's more like a very vocal minority in the US (and to a lesser degree elsewhere in the west) that has an out-sized presence on sites like Twitter and Reddit, rather than US gaming community values, let alone European ones, but I agree otherwise; well put.
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