Please allow us to buy 'X' Quantity of an item on Market Board

[GenBroadaxe]

Everyone defending the current system are fake news.The fact is the current BULK ONLY sale is garbage. And the people here defending this are just blatantly lying.

If you put 99 of an item in the market, somehow me buying only 1 instead of 99 will be bad for you? If i buy 1, some other guy will buy the remaining 98 whats the problem?
Some people argue that you would lose the ability to buy everything or there would be extra work for the seller to relist items (even more reason to remake this flawed shyt)?? And somehow not selling in bulk would reduce the profit? Well if your price aint horrible then it will sell.

if after bulk it no longer sells then well sir, im sorry to tell you but u were exploiting new playing by selling over priced 99 stacks of materials needed for job quests

They're not lying, they're stating what aspects the current system work for them. Large stacks of mats that are used in mass quantities sell well and if people want to sell those stacks that's their prerogative as there's obviously a market for it. Other sellers take advantage of the market that's been made for folks who don't want those large stacks. If you only need 1 thing, you can generally find someone who's selling a 1-5 stack. If not, that's why everyone can level their gatherers.

[HWalsh]

The current system allows for bulk sale discounting.

One thing I personally do is the 99/50/20/10/5

I price them at 100% / 125% / 150% / 175% / 200%

So 400/500/600/700/800

Why? Because smaller stacks don't sell as well and take up inventory space. You're also being unreasonable. In real life, for example, a hot dog bun company sell packs of 6 hot dog buns. You don't get to go into the supermarket and take one single bun out. You can't just buy one hot dog from a package. The makers of the product determine how many of what comes to a pack. Not the consumer.

Also there is common sense economics here...

I can tell you from my 99/50/20/10/5 that the 99 and 50 stacks sell - The 99 outsells the 50 by a 2:1 ratio, while the 20/10/5 rarely sell - Even if I sell them cheaper than the 99 stack!

I've only got so much space to sell things - so many slots.

So while you may hate it, for you, me, as a business person, has no incentive to sell smaller stacks.

And: note - I explicitly sell stacks of 15 high quality effervescent waters so people can skip the grind of the level 25 miner quest AND my stacks of 99 actually sell faster! When the 99 are explicitly packed more expensive!

[Reptiletc]

Just going to toss it out there that Runescape has done this since 2007 and it has been my go-to example of a functioning MMO market. I believe that SE could learn a lot from the Grand Exchange.

[HWalsh]

Everyone defending the current system are fake news.The fact is the current BULK ONLY sale is garbage. And the people here defending this are just blatantly lying.

If you put 99 of an item in the market, somehow me buying only 1 instead of 99 will be bad for you? If i buy 1, some other guy will buy the remaining 98 whats the problem?
Some people argue that you would lose the ability to buy everything or there would be extra work for the seller to relist items (even more reason to remake this flawed shyt)?? And somehow not selling in bulk would reduce the profit? Well if your price aint horrible then it will sell.

if after bulk it no longer sells then well sir, im sorry to tell you but u were exploiting new playing by selling over priced 99 stacks of materials needed for job quests

How am I exploiting new players?

See now I'm legitimately upset. I intentionally sell well below average market price on ALL of my mats to promote lower prices (and this works mind you) across the board. I do this for less wealthy players.

I'm not "taking advantage" of them.

I'm also not their servant.

I provide a service. You are not entitled to my labor. By that I mean that *I* spent 5 hours mining 99 high quality iron ores. *I* spent that same time mining around 900 normal ores. That is, at my level, 900 individual clicks in an area containing 4 nodes that grant 4 attempts, 4 attempts, 5 attempts, and 4 attempts.

I don't have 100% chance so I sometimes don't get anything.

Move
Right click on node
Left Click on ability when applicable
Left click on option
Left click on option
Left click on option
Left click on option
(On a 5 node) Left click on option

Start over. Sometimes dodging enemies because I can't defend myself.

If you think that the above is boring, then you're right. It is also very Zen. I actually have an anxiety disorder and it is very calming. That doesn't mean it's not monotonous and since this can go on for hours non-stop, when I'm done my hand is sore and doing anything in the game like a dungeon is out of the question.

If you only need 1-2 then, and don't take this the wrong way, you can go out and mine it yourself. It isn't hard. I just described the steps above pretty exactly. In 24 hours you can hit level 40. In one day of doing nothing but mining for around 6 hours I hit 30.

But here's the rub. I do this to earn gil. Why? Because I want cool-lookin' outfits. Cool lookin' outfits are expensive. Why? Because I'm a role player and i want a cute skirt/top combo when i go out to socialize and a cute skirt can cost 265,000 gil.

Who makes those 265,000 skirts? Crafters.

Why should they get 265,000 gil when you're complaining that I spent 5 hours, and experienced pain, to put up a single 99 stack of HQ mats that only netted me 50,000 gil.

[Shadowleaves]

Respectfully, I don't think you are understanding. You are still selling your "goods" at X amount per 1. Where is the harm of your retainers selling x amount of Y item until you run out of those items? You still get your gil as the seller and the buyer buys exactly the amount that he/she wants of that item. It's a win win. Your stuff sells, buyers can buy until you run out, you get your coins, buyers whatever amount of that item(s) they are buying.

That isn't letting the game interfere with the market. Now if you want the game to interfere with the market, then let an NPC sell stock so buyers can spend their gil to get exactly what they want. See the difference?

Some of us are new players and just trying to level up our crafting job since we literally just started it. Do you think we have the gil to afford to buy at the ridiculous amount of an item for 10,000+ gil per purchase of bulk when we just need 1 or 2 of that item for a quest to get completed? All you are doing is making me want to further say No thank you and just gather the mats myself since there is no reason at all for me to buy 99 crow feathers for example.

[Jojoya]

Respectfully, I don't think you are understanding. You are still selling your "goods" at X amount per 1. Where is the harm of your retainers selling x amount of Y item until you run out of those items? You still get your gil as the seller and the buyer buys exactly the amount that he/she wants of that item. It's a win win. Your stuff sells, buyers can buy until you run out, you get your coins, buyers whatever amount of that item(s) they are buying.

That isn't letting the game interfere with the market. Now if you want the game to interfere with the market, then let an NPC sell stock so buyers can spend their gil to get exactly what they want. See the difference?

Some of us are new players and just trying to level up our crafting job since we literally just started it. Do you think we have the gil to afford to buy at the ridiculous amount of an item for 10,000+ gil per purchase of bulk when we just need 1 or 2 of that item for a quest to get completed? All you are doing is making me want to further say No thank you and just gather the mats myself since there is no reason at all for me to buy 99 crow feathers for example.

It's a good idea to check the date on posts. The post prior to yours was made in July 2019. The game has changed since then.

SE already interfered with the markets. Material vendors have been added that cover the majority of intermediate crafts used for leveling . Desynthesis changes have flooded the marketboard with intermediate crafts in stacks of 1-3 at prices usually lower than what the vendors charge.

You'll find it easier to get most of what you need in 2022 compared to what it was like in July 2019. It would depend on what you're trying to make of course (CUL wasn't really affected, nor the ALC consumables).

Don't be afraid to buy up some of those big stacks and split them down to resell at a slightly higher unit price. If you need the item in small quantities, then others will need it in small quantities. It's a good way to make gil as a new player. Just make certain to first check the sales history on an item to verify how often it's been selling and at what prices.

And of course gathering the mats yourself is what you should be doing. You get XP for your gathering class, you get what you need for the price of the teleport, and you can sell any extra you gather but don't need to other players for profit.

As for those 99 Crow Feathers, the level 10 BTN quest says "Hi!". Other players are absolutely buying those stacks of 99 even if you aren't. Better to spend a few thousand gil buying the 99 feathers so the 15 minutes it would take to gather them could be spent making a few tens of thousand of gil (or a lot more). Of course a player could also go to one of the NPCs that sells them for 21 gil each to pay less but some buy off the MB for convenience or out of habit.

For that matter, you could also visit one of the vendors to buy them for 21 gil each yourself.

[MistakeNot]

As for those 99 Crow Feathers, the level 10 BTN quest says "Hi!". Other players are absolutely buying those stacks of 99 even if you aren't. Better to spend a few thousand gil buying the 99 feathers so the 15 minutes it would take to gather them could be spent making a few tens of thousand of gil (or a lot more). Of course a player could also go to one of the NPCs that sells them for 21 gil each to pay less but some buy off the MB for convenience or out of habit.

The level 10 BTN quest was changed with Endwalker- Now it only requires 10 Crow Feathers. So absolutely no need to buy stacks of 99 of them from the MB. Especially not when they can be bought fairly cheap from the vendor at the Carpenter's Guild.
Several other gathering quests that required large number of items was also changed to require more sensible numbers.

[Jojoya]

The level 10 BTN quest was changed with Endwalker- Now it only requires 10 Crow Feathers. So absolutely no need to buy stacks of 99 of them from the MB. Especially not when they can be bought fairly cheap from the vendor at the Carpenter's Guild.
Several other gathering quests that required large number of items was also changed to require more sensible numbers.

Did not know that. Thanks for the updated information. It could be those still selling the stacks of 99 likewise aren't aware of the change.

[UkcsAlias]

I believe that SE could learn a lot from the Grand Exchange.

The grand exchange is the reason i did quit RS. Runescape was always a bot fest, and the GE made this only worse as there no longer was any interaction between players, promoting bot usage.

Prices of often botted items crashed to absurdly low values during its release. Without the GE, botters still needed to sell items, and this was often not well doable for bots (sure, they still did, but at a much lower pace, which ment less bots in general as more bots didnt cause more gold - usualy less as they just conflicted with each other and caused even more management towards the one controlling them).

Before the GE as player you could adjust to other players requests in value, and just sell items. This effort did inflate prices a bit though (and maybe the current state of GE has that balanced again). But in the end, its major crash just says that its not always a good idea to just change markets. I wasnt the only one quiting. Even PvPers left because their loot suddenly became relatively worthless (because the GE made the resources excessively cheap, all gear made with it crashed in value with it, and flooded the market).

FF at least doesnt have the part in which you can obtain someone elses gear, so on that part the damage will be less. But its still a dangerous thing, because you dont want bulk sellers to gain benefits over small sellers (especialy when some of them use bots to adjust prices).

[KageTokage]

The inability to purchase in buyer-determined quantities is pretty much the only thing allowing legit players to compete with the bot farmers when it comes to stackable goods, so I'm honestly hoping it never becomes a thing.