Support for FCFS housing in 6.1

[Jojoya]

The only person who is delusional here is apparently you. Just like with your previous post, you add nothing of value to this discussion. You have no understanding of the inherent fairness of a Lottery system and you continue to cling to this notion that people who favor the Lottery system do not understand that their chances of getting a plot will not be good. At this point, I have to conclude that you are simply a troll.

You're rather naive if you don't see at least a little truth in what Divinemights said.

There will be a lot of happiness during the first lottery period with over 1400 houses up for grabs. Then disappointment but still some hope during the second lottery period when the houses vacated by those able to relocate during the first lottery period go up for sale. Then unhappiness during the third lottery period when almost nothing is left and finally anger in the fourth lottery period when there's nothing left (until demolition resumes and 45 days passes so houses start demoing again). Many players who thought the lottery and other changes would provide them with a house still won't have one and realize that the lottery really hasn't solved anything at all.

All it's done is changed the nature of the RNG involved, and in a very real way made that RNG even worse due to ease of access. Those who weren't trying at all to get a house will find it better than without the lottery. Those who had been trying under FCFS will see that the odds of getting a house have dropped significantly because their agency in choosing how much effort they can put into obtaining a house has been removed from them.

Is the system fairer with the lottery? Yes.

Are people still going to complain? You better believe it. It won't be everyone but the complaints will be there.

[Eraden]

You're rather naive if you don't see at least a little truth in what Divinemights said.

There will be a lot of happiness during the first lottery period with over 1400 houses up for grabs. Then disappointment but still some hope during the second lottery period when the houses vacated by those able to relocate during the first lottery period go up for sale. Then unhappiness during the third lottery period when almost nothing is left and finally anger in the fourth lottery period when there's nothing left (until demolition resumes and 45 days passes so houses start demoing again). Many players who thought the lottery and other changes would provide them with a house still won't have one and realize that the lottery really hasn't solved anything at all.

All it's done is changed the nature of the RNG involved, and in a very real way made that RNG even worse due to ease of access. Those who weren't trying at all to get a house will find it better than without the lottery. Those who had been trying under FCFS will see that the odds of getting a house have dropped significantly because their agency in choosing how much effort they can put into obtaining a house has been removed from them.

Is the system fairer with the lottery? Yes.

Are people still going to complain? You better believe it. It won't be everyone but the complaints will be there.

I have NEVER said that people would be happy or satisfied with the Lottery. All I have said is that it is the only option we have at the moment if we want a truly fair system. Please refrain from trying to put words into my mouth. As for Divinemights, that person's insistence on claiming that there is "no fair system" is frankly not true (Lottery IS fair) and the continued advocacy for FCFS which is KNOWN to be problematic for a lot of the players is rather suspect. Your claims of me being naive and there being truth in what Divinemights has said (other than the fact that there WILL be unhappy people after the dust has settled) are therefore rather odd. Adding in FCFS would only make a bad situation worse. The real solution to this problem is adding enough housing to meet the demand.

[Divinemights]

I have NEVER said that people would be happy or satisfied with the Lottery. All I have said is that it is the only option we have at the moment if we want a truly fair system. Please refrain from trying to put words into my mouth. As for Divinemights, that person's insistence on claiming that there is "no fair system" is frankly not true (Lottery IS fair) and the continued advocacy for FCFS which is KNOWN to be problematic for a lot of the players is rather suspect. Your claims of me being naive and there being truth in what Divinemights has said (other than the fact that there WILL be unhappy people after the dust has settled) are therefore rather odd. Adding in FCFS would only make a bad situation worse. The real solution to this problem is adding enough housing to meet the demand.

Fair?
Only word pop in my head right now is "naïve" as you seems unable to recognize how "deep" this pit is.
Do you know how many loopholes this "lottery systems" have that is same like Beijin Car License Plate Lottery?

This is "lottery" is rather a raffle like Jojoya said before and it is so easy to manipulate.
It only favor existing house owners and old players.
Everyone can create and prepare a lvl 50 character enrolled at lieutenant rank in 3 days, it is not difficult.
How are you going to stop people to create another 7 alts and established a FC and attempt to dominate a plot?
Do you think a new player is going to bother to waste their only one chance if he/she seeing a plot already have 7 tickets on it?

Assuming you are going to claim no one will do that because that is rather large amount of gils.
People that play since AAR is already sitting on millions of gils if not too lazy.
It is not like system will not refund the gils if you didn't get it
What is there to stop me from doing above?
This is rather just one of the loophole.

Fair?
You are trapped in your delusional world.
My statement remains correct, no system is fair and people will turn around after they didn't get what they want.

[Jojoya]

I don't know what got you to think I'm spreading any false information but I'm giving you a peculiar annoyed look for it, especially since you didn't bother quoting the later posts I made.

I didn't say "false information". I said "false hope".

We may not have been given enough information yet to know what it will be but we have been given enough information to know what it is not - player housing.

As for quoting your later posts, why would I? Other than a brief repeat of you hoping that Island Sanctuary might be a housing solution (no need to quote a rephrasing of something you already said), none of it was relevant to Island Sanctuary versus housing.

I have NEVER said that people would be happy or satisfied with the Lottery. All I have said is that it is the only option we have at the moment if we want a truly fair system. Please refrain from trying to put words into my mouth. As for Divinemights, that person's insistence on claiming that there is "no fair system" is frankly not true (Lottery IS fair) and the continued advocacy for FCFS which is KNOWN to be problematic for a lot of the players is rather suspect. Your claims of me being naive and there being truth in what Divinemights has said (other than the fact that there WILL be unhappy people after the dust has settled) are therefore rather odd. Adding in FCFS would only make a bad situation worse. The real solution to this problem is adding enough housing to meet the demand.

Then why call Divinemights delusional for stating something you acknowledge will happen?

The lottery is not a fair system. Would you truly consider it fair if someone who has been playing the game for 4 years and actively trying to get a house for the last 3.5 years still doesn't get one while someone who just started playing the game 3 weeks ago and doesn't really have a clue about housing other than a friend says "get a house" manages to get one? That doesn't sound particularly fair to me.

Being more fair in comparison doesn't mean the system is fair. The only fair system when it comes to housing would be a system that guarantees every player gets the house of their choice, and if one player is able to own multiple houses then every player gets to own multiple houses. Anything less than that and the system is not fair.

[Eraden]

I didn't say "false information". I said "false hope".

We may not have been given enough information yet to know what it will be but we have been given enough information to know what it is not - player housing.

As for quoting your later posts, why would I? Other than a brief repeat of you hoping that Island Sanctuary might be a housing solution (no need to quote a rephrasing of something you already said), none of it was relevant to Island Sanctuary versus housing.


Then why call Divinemights delusional for stating something you acknowledge will happen?

The lottery is not a fair system. Would you truly consider it fair if someone who has been playing the game for 4 years and actively trying to get a house for the last 3.5 years still doesn't get one while someone who just started playing the game 3 weeks ago and doesn't really have a clue about housing other than a friend says "get a house" manages to get one? That doesn't sound particularly fair to me.

Being more fair in comparison doesn't mean the system is fair. The only fair system when it comes to housing would be a system that guarantees every player gets the house of their choice, and if one player is able to own multiple houses then every player gets to own multiple houses. Anything less than that and the system is not fair.

You have a very odd idea of what fair is. All players in this game are equal in terms of what they have access to. Your being here longer than others does not entitle you to any special benefits. The Lottery is objectively fair as it treats everyone equally. As for Divinemights, that person was the first to throw down the term "delusion" and tied that to a claim that there "is no fair system". What I am beginning to see from the two of you is a rather unfortunate sense of entitlement.

[DeNada]

Chill guys.

Let's just wait for the live letter on 1 April for more concrete news.

No matter how much we bicker among ourselves, that will not change anything now that SE decision is pretty much set.

Let's just give the new lottery system a fair shot before shooting it down prematurely. After all, it can't be any worse than the current system of placard camping, can it?

[Shibi]

All players in this game are equal in terms of what they have access to. Your being here longer than others does not entitle you to any special benefits.

While it's not a special benefit, being here longer means you are more likely have more Gil Capped retainers. 999,999,999g can buy a lot of raffle tickets.

[Eraden]

While it's not a special benefit, being here longer means you are more likely have more Gil Capped retainers. 999,999,999g can buy a lot of raffle tickets.

From my understanding of how the Lottery will be run, you can only make one bid at a time, no matter how much Gil you have. Now for FCs there is the possibility of spreading that Gill out to have many bids on a FC house. However, we don't know yet how wards will be distributed with regards to personal housing and FCs. As for that incredible amount of Gil that some people have, it would be nice for there to be SOMETHING of value introduced into the game that would drain a little of that Gil away. Island Sanctuaries might be that something, but we know so little about them right now that it would be a fool's game to speculate too much about them.

[Shibi]

...for FCs there is the possibility of spreading that Gill out to have many bids on a FC house. However, we don't know yet how wards will be distributed with regards to personal housing and FCs....

The biggest mistake most people make is not thinking beyond Emperyum. What happens in May or June when we are back to one demo a week or one demo per two weeks?

[Kyosa]

One more vote for at least SOME FCFS housing wards, PLEASE! That way it's fair to have at least a chance for people who prefer FCFS.