A thought of inviduality to jobs

[MagicalChase]

Like healers were able to do back when we had cross-class skills and were forced to level Thaum whether we liked it or not because we'd catch hell if we didn't have Swiftcast?

It was never the game that required only the "right" cross-class skills. It was the community. And the same thing would happen with the illusion of choice that you propose because someone would find the meta and the Balance would post it and everyone would cookie-cutter it like they do rotations now and flame anyone who stepped outside that little box.

Why are we being punished because the community is so toxic it can’t handle others playing any way but their way?

[hagare]

Why are we being punished because the community is so toxic it can’t handle others playing any way but their way?

why are you so toxic that you think the community should cater to what you want?

I cleared T1-5 (Sub) and Ultima Weapon Ex (PuG) alongside a WAR with no Provoke... The far higher enmity modifiers at the time made it a non-issue so long as they pulled and didn't follow swapping out with a BB combo.

Yes, the WAR should have it and it was necessary for some fights (Garuda Ex), but it wasn't so "all is ruined" as many make it out to be.

now imagine both of them not having it.
I imagine you can, but others will have to adjust.
It's like playing with a BLM that won't move and screams "OTHERS ADJUST!"

Counterpoint: should people have to do research to just play a game? I feel like that rests to some extent on the game design for failing to teach players or otherwise discouraging them from practicing.

I mean you guys aren't wrong, but FFXIV also is really reveling in being casual-friendly and doesn't really incentivize players to learn their jobs except through job quests, which are optional, not very robust, and don't seem to stick.

To play? no.
To be good? unless you are a very good you can figure things out instantly at a glance, you probably should. Unless you wanna take your time and experiment yourself.
you can be an ice mage all you want. But the people who played with you are also free to stop playing with you.

[MagicalChase]

why are you so toxic that you think the community should cater to what you want?
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If you’re kicking people because they don’t play how you like I’m not the toxic one, honey.

[TaleraRistain]

Why are we being punished because the community is so toxic it can’t handle others playing any way but their way?

Because we're forced to group with them to progress. But since they're fixing that, maybe they could add some flexibility in. Doubtful, though. I wouldn't mind seeing it with Limited Jobs that can't group anyway. BLU had potential to be that but turned me off because of how group-centric it is to get spells to go do the solo challenges. I think they've improved it some, but they lost me early with that. So maybe I'll look into it again sometime when I'm bored.

[hagare]

If you’re kicking people because they don’t play how you like I’m not the toxic one, honey.

you're free to do what you want.
You're just not free from consequences.
A way of thinking that seems to escape unique people.
Hell, yesterday in dun scaith, someone keeps trolling by changing the elemental floor the one people are weak against.
if the alliance kicked him, was the alliance the toxic one?
by your logic it is, because it was one against 23.

[MagicalChase]

you're free to do what you want.
You're just not free from consequences.
A way of thinking that seems to escape unique people.
Hell, yesterday in dun scaith, someone keeps trolling by changing the elemental floor the one people are weak against.
if the alliance kicked him, was the alliance the toxic one?
by your logic it is, because it was one against 23.

False equivalency fallacy. That’s active trolling. You’d be kicking cuz the white mage brought protect instead of stone skin or whatever. Or more realistically, they casted cure 2 to heal a tank buster instead of using an ogcd.

[Minarisweet]

you're free to do what you want.
You're just not free from consequences.
A way of thinking that seems to escape unique people.
Hell, yesterday in dun scaith, someone keeps trolling by changing the elemental floor the one people are weak against.
if the alliance kicked him, was the alliance the toxic one?
by your logic it is, because it was one against 23.

One thing is literally throwing everything and one thing is playing differently and still clearing. If the implementation of playstyles and builds was done even half as well as other rpgs xiv wouldn't be having to deal with so many people harassing one another because one thing is just so extremely better than the other and that oftenly still happens in high end so there's no stopping it, so much homogenization for nothing.

[LittleImp]

Like healers were able to do back when we had cross-class skills and were forced to level Thaum whether we liked it or not because we'd catch hell if we didn't have Swiftcast?

It was never the game that required only the "right" cross-class skills. It was the community. And the same thing would happen with the illusion of choice that you propose because someone would find the meta and the Balance would post it and everyone would cookie-cutter it like they do rotations now and flame anyone who stepped outside that little box.

If you were doing a group project, and one person botched their portion of the work because they simply didn't feel like studying, you probably wouldn't be super enthused about the situation. If you were given a choice of partner and knew that someone had a pattern of that kind of behavior, you probably wouldn't want to select them the next time around.

Swift-cast was and still is considered a vital recovery tool, and has consistently been indispensable during progression, where you may not have enough time to slow-cast a rez that could otherwise keep the run going and allow you to progress further into the fight (or even clear). Deciding you didn't want that skill put your group at an immediate disadvantage, so it was sensible in a lot of cases that people wouldn't want to group with someone who didn't have access to the skill. The same goes for Provoke.

[hagare]

One thing is literally throwing everything and one thing is playing differently and still clearing. If the implementation of playstyles and builds was done even half as well as other rpgs xiv wouldn't be having to deal with so many people harassing one another because one thing is just so extremely better than the other and that oftenly still happens in high end so there's no stopping it, so much homogenization for nothing.

False equivalency fallacy. That’s active trolling. You’d be kicking cuz the white mage brought protect instead of stone skin or whatever. Or more realistically, they casted cure 2 to heal a tank buster instead of using an ogcd.

hey it's their way of playing.
Maybe he felt playing that way that day.

Though I do have another story.

this week in NN,
a sprout asked.
I like ROG, can I play as ROG to cap?

I'm curious. What would you tell him?

[Minarisweet]

hey it's their way of playing.
Maybe he felt playing that way that day.

Though I do have another story.

this week in NN,
a sprout asked.
I like ROG, can I play as ROG to cap?

I'm curious. What would you tell him?

Ninja is rogue 2, its only not rogue in name. I'd tell them that but personally I am not annoyed by people not having job stones for normal content since... normal content is braindead anyways lol.