The MSQ Endwalker Trial Bosses are WAY too hard for newer players to FFXIV

[HyoMinPark]

I'm not asking for any adjustments to be made to the game. I agree - catering to a minority in that fashion wouldn't be of benefit to the majority.

However, I do still maintain that I dislike the idea that there is some fixed standard that players are supposed to have achieved by a certain point in the game. It seems as if the fact that my 'sprout' disappeared a few days ago means I am now supposed to be good at the game by default despite the fact that the absence of said sprout doesn't tell anyone anything about how long I've actually been playing.

As unfortunate as your circumstances are, they are specific to you and not the norm. The majority of players will not share these afflictions, so they are held to a standard that isn’t even that unreasonable. People don’t expect orange-parse level play in standard content. They expect a modicum of effort. I’ve been around for a while, and a lot of the complaints like the one in this thread do not come from a genuine standpoint of a player with disabilities or afflictions that are struggling. They come from players who expect everything to be “press X and instantly win”, and they will cry and stomp their feet when content is not nerfed to cater to their lack of desire to put forth effort to clear.

For the vast majority of players, once they no longer have a sprout, yes, they are expected to have a basic understanding of the game. They’re 80 levels and 100+ hours in. This isn’t a lofty standard.

[SyphinAes]

The majority of players will not share these afflictions, so they are held to a standard that isn’t even that unreasonable. People don’t expect orange-parse level play in standard content. They expect a modicum of effort.

"hi first time" is literally a 100% effective bad-performance pass. You can complete the MSQ and no one will really judge you for getting carried your first time through, sprout icon or no.

[HyoMinPark]

"hi first time" is literally a 100% effective bad-performance pass. You can complete the MSQ and no one will really judge you for getting carried your first time through, sprout icon or no.

Mmm, it ultimately depends. “First time” won’t excuse a player in higher level content that doesn’t know their rotation or who is partially AFK. The most it can really excuse is deaths and mechanical errors. I’m fairly patient when it comes to people who say they are new to a dungeon or alliance raid or whatever—as long as I can see that they are trying. But I have had people say “first time”, and then proceed to barely do anything. AFK healers jumping in place or running back and forth for extended periods of time, DPS or tanks basically auto-attacking and not even doing a rotation. Heck, I’ve even had tanks in dungeons not even tank, and instead the DPS and healer do most of the tanking.

“First time” only excuses so much. It’s not a 100% bad performance pass.

[ZephyrMenodora]

Mmm, it ultimately depends. “First time” won’t excuse a player in higher level content that doesn’t know their rotation or who is partially AFK. The most it can really excuse is deaths and mechanical errors. I’m fairly patient when it comes to people who say they are new to a dungeon or alliance raid or whatever—as long as I can see that they are trying. But I have had people say “first time”, and then proceed to barely do anything. AFK healers jumping in place or running back and forth for extended periods of time, DPS or tanks basically auto-attacking and not even doing a rotation. Heck, I’ve even had tanks in dungeons not even tank, and instead the DPS and healer do most of the tanking.

“First time” only excuses so much. It’s not a 100% bad performance pass.

I simply don't define being partially AFK and not trying as "bad performance." To me bad performance is as you said - someone trying but failing for whatever reason.

To me being semi-AFK and lazy by practically only auto-attacking and refusing to move is just "leeching" and one of the few reasons I'd vote-kick someone.

[Vahlnir]

I simply don't define being partially AFK and not trying as "bad performance." To me bad performance is as you said - someone trying but failing for whatever reason.

To me being semi-AFK and lazy by practically only auto-attacking and refusing to move is just "leeching" and one of the few reasons I'd vote-kick someone.

It's still bad performance.

[Avatre]

"hi first time" is literally a 100% effective bad-performance pass. You can complete the MSQ and no one will really judge you for getting carried your first time through, sprout icon or no.

I will partially agree, but it depends on what level the content is.

If we're talking level 90 stuff, and the person is making zero effort after multiple pulls to follow the group/dodge mechanics, then there is no pass given. If they are actually trying to dodge, their rotation be damned, then I'll be a lot more lenient.