World of Warcraft died because the developers only catered to casuals and world prog

[Imoye]

Lost Ark is also bleeding players currently on global.

Yes. These two games are bleeding becuase they are bad games; not because they are MMOs.

This MMO dying stuff is getting old and boring to listen to.

[Nekokaori]

Yes. These two games are bleeding becuase they are bad games; not because they are MMOs.

This MMO dying stuff is getting old and boring to listen to.

actrually lost ark is a good game its just meha for other reasons but honestly it has plenty of amazing concepts but it has major things i hate as well but honestly it is a good game (idk about new world) but its not that great.. just like black desert (is honestly amazing) but it destoryed itself with basicly p2w

heh. People's been saying that since before I took a break 5 years ago.
Mostly lalafels strangely

well, I can break down why ppl been saying that..

ARR: we want real summoner
hw: comes out ignored, we get a lizard race once again request for more summoner summon feeling. (also more healers please) or tank
stormblood out: ignored ( and get hit with 2 dps making dps ques longer) ignored and lose protect
shadowbringers: Again ignored for most part, and has more idenity and enjoyable stuff ignored and get told you will never have a short race again because of a bs reason.
(but honestly)
over 8 years later finnaly listen to summoner players (kinda) 8 years for something that should have been there when some of us preorder arr for the first time and complained about it every expansion to get ignored lol


Also if you rlly want to know why mmos will "die" (not rlly because ppl will always play i even get on dark age of camelot still) it still a dead game due to ghost land zones (noplayers)

is 3 things: first cash shops(these are fine for outfits, and dress up things for fun) but that's it period, second, they make every thing accessible to everyone no matter their skill level or tastebuds which makes jobs, classes and even crafting lose what makes them have fun. (this can be seen in ast, or old arr bard) both were amazing and enjoyable with old design (they aren't now). and 3: the ideology both players and devs in mmos basically tell people: "if you don't like it play something else, if you don't like forced interaction then don't play a mmo"

accessiablity is good for alot of things, but in class design or gameplay design it really isnt pick a field for each job/class and stay in it

[Imoye]

actrually lost ark is a good game its just meha for other reasons but honestly it has plenty of amazing concepts but it has major things i hate as well but honestly it is a good game (idk about new world) but its not that great.. just like black desert (is honestly amazing) but it destoryed itself with basicly p2w

I generally agree. Lost Ark has great combat, interesting raids and dungeons as well as fun PvP. However, progress in the entire game revolves around P2W through timegating, RNG and massive grinds. Thus, the game as a whole isn't good in my opinion; certain aspects of it are.

Playing the game is a constant chase to the top that never ends. It doesn't respect your time and it encourages whaling. Hard pass.