Sundering stuff established in the Q&A

[Veloran]

A limit we can neither test nor definitively say exists as we now have examples from the role quests and in Ultima Thule itself of dynamis beings existing. Not to mention even using aether in Ultima Thule is impossible if Dynamis wielding beings don’t establish the way first.

We actually have no idea if those were "Dynamis beings" nor even if aether doesn't exist in Ultima Thule. Y'shtola says as much, but we know for a fact her perception is limited.

The reason I said they’re are two ways to interpret that scene is rooted in the fact that we can either assume that the info we gave is limited to what was directly mentioned in the follow up convo and shown in the flashback images, or we can assume that more was said but can’t definitively say what it was. If it’s the latter, then it is illogical to make any assumption about what was said or not said as we can’t prove or disprove anything. We’d both have to basically guess or try to infer it from other info.

I think given Yoshida's answers it's perfectly reasonable to infer and interpret based on what we know.

Correction, the Reddit discord transcript is a word for word transcript of Yoshi Ps answer and Kates (the head of the English Localization team) translation. The official one is an abridged version, as we can see when viewing the clip itself.

And yet the official one is the one they chose to post. Given the translation during the LL was spoken off the cuff and the one posted to the forums was written later, that's the one with more validity.

It could be, very true. But I’m responding to a statement that this is 100% the same theory. If you wish to argue that they could be combined then that’s fine, but that’s not what Yoshi P is explicitly saying as he is separating the two in his explanation.

But they're not well separated. "Another interpretation" doesn't necessarily mean incompatibility with the previous one.

The translation you posted however still makes the distinction between the WoL acting in accordance with Venats plan while visiting Elpis and Venat making sure the timeline is consistent in its entirety. This is another huge problem with reading this answer as “Yoshi P confirms she’s following the timeline.” The abridged translation makes a distinction between Venat planning our trip to Elpis and Venat planning to follow the timeline that results in us, a distinction that has no purpose if they are one and the same.

Neither answer specifies that it's referring only to events in Elpis. The question refers to Elpis yes, but when Yoshida responds he talks about the timelines in totality. And again, Venat's motive is given no matter which interpretation Yoshida is suggesting. Given he's willing to say here that's what she wanted, given her lines about fulfilling the conjunction between past and future in the game, and given the reveal that she intentionally allowed for Emet-Selch's survival, I don't know why you're still trying to deny her intentions. Well, I know why, but the how of it has become increasingly infeasible.

[EaraGrace]

We actually have no idea if those were "Dynamis beings" nor even if aether doesn't exist in Ultima Thule. Y'shtola says as much, but we know for a fact her perception is limited.

We know they were born of dynamis, as they did not exist until Thancreds sacrifice.

And yet the official one is the one they chose to post. Given the translation during the LL was spoken off the cuff and the one posted to the forums was written later, that's the one with more validity.

All the answers in that post are abridged and are missing details. A good example is the question on class balance, where the confirmation of a change to Living Dead appears in the full answer Yoshi P gave, but not the abridged one.

But they're not well separated. "Another interpretation" doesn't necessarily mean incompatibility with the previous one.

You’re misunderstanding. I’m not saying they are incompatible, just that they were separated for a reason. If I say the answer to a math problem is 7 and then follow that by saying another answer people could get is 10, I’m not saying that they are incompatible than the other (some problems can have more than one result). I am simply saying my answer is one thing, and another answer exists that’s different.

Neither answer specifies that it's referring only to events in Elpis. The question refers to Elpis yes, but when Yoshida responds he talks about the timelines in totality. And again, Venat's motive is given no matter which interpretation Yoshida is suggesting. Given he's willing to say here that's what she wanted, given her lines about fulfilling the conjunction between past and future in the game, and given the reveal that she intentionally allowed for Emet-Selch's survival, I don't know why you're still trying to deny her intentions. Well, I know why, but the how of it has become increasingly infeasible.

And what lines about the conjunction? The ones where she doesn’t accept it’s happening until after we get back from Elpis? Or where she states “she won’t take anything for granted as I walk my path?”

Hell here’s a translation of her conversation with us before we leave Elpis combining all four language versions.



Explain how your theory survives the line “I will take nothing for granted and nothing at face value, not even your story.”

Add in the fact she only intended to save Emet and even that was left to chance,

Add in the efforts to stop the Rejoinings,

Add in this line,



And add in this one where she states she intended to stop the Flood if she could, an event that was needed for the timelines to match,



I think it’s clear.

And seriously miss me with the arrogant “I know why you’re defending her hardy har har.” I’m genuinely trying to engage in discussion despite our previous conversations, and all that happens is I get my intentions questioned. If you think I’m just some blind simp then stop wasting both of our times.

You act like i’m bringing up mundane things. I think explaining explicitly how the time travel works is important, especially considering they’ve used it twice now. Otherwise we get things like the twinning which…what exactly was the point of that exactly? If we were just going to resort to time travel using the tower in the future anyways. But when he says things like oh i didn’t expect people to be interested in what Azem was doing…Really? Come on now. This was the expansion to end the 10 year arc and we’re still left with more questions than answers. There’s a difference between leaving small tidbits open ended and completely leaving out crucial information.

I know wayyyyy more about where things stand after SHB and EW. In Stormblood when I first started playing we knew nothing compared to today, and while I would like a few more answers for sure, the vast majority of the questions I needed answered have been.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I know wayyyyy more about where things stand after SHB and EW. In Stormblood when I first started playing we knew nothing compared to today, and while I would like a few more answers for sure, the vast majority of the questions I needed answered have been.

And that’s good for you, but for me, when they advertise something as the end of the 10 year arc or whatever they want to call it, i expect the important questions that have been raised in that arc…to be answered. Not to either be ignored or handwaved in an outside of game QnA. That’s just unprofessional and extremely lazy imo. But what is kind of insulting is him basically saying don’t look too deep into things, in a game that they preach about being more about the story than anything else. It just comes off as hypocritical if anything.

[EaraGrace]

And that’s good for you, but for me, when they advertise something as the end of the 10 year arc or whatever they want to call it, i expect the important questions that have been raised in that arc…to be answered. Not to either be ignored or handwaved in an outside of game QnA. That’s just unprofessional and extremely lazy imo. But what is kind of insulting is him basically saying don’t look too deep into things, in a game that they preach about being more about the story than anything else. It just comes off as hypocritical if anything.

Could you post the full quote you’re referring to from Yoshi P

[KizuyaKatogami]

Could you post the full quote you’re referring to from Yoshi P

I don’t have it on hand. If you’re interested im sure you’d be able to find it. Doesn’t really denounce what i said either way lol

[EaraGrace]

I don’t have it on hand. If you’re interested im sure you’d be able to find it. Doesn’t really denounce what i said either way lol

Fair, just figured I’d ask lol

[KizuyaKatogami]

Fair, just figured I’d ask lol

If it helps i know it was said during the recent qna/LL.