What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

[Theodric]

I think if the story intends to explore heavy themes then it should take the approach of letting people come to their own conclusions and judgements. That's what happened with Shadowbringers so it's weird that it didn't carry over to Endwalker.

[KizuyaKatogami]

I think if the story intends to explore heavy themes then it should take the approach of letting people come to their own conclusions and judgements. That's what happened with Shadowbringers so it's weird that it didn't carry over to Endwalker.

It’s especially interesting when you take into account that whole spheal they made pre endwalker with the amano art of hydaelyn and zodiark saying “there is no good and no evil in this picture” but then have Venat outright named a hero…

[PawPaw]

As it stands, there's still no actual explanation why we're even able to keep returning to Elpis whenever we want after it was made to sound as though our time there was limited.

This and even though we were barely formed and tiny on our first trip through, from there on out we are always tangible and correctly sized. Not complaining too hard because I love Elpis but...how? How can I even travel there through literal time using an aetheryte? Why would I not have to travel through the portal Elidibus makes us every time? At least they make an effort to explain why we can return to Ultima Thule anytime.

[NanaWiloh]

Only half-jest, no less. I don't think I can stress enough how everything we've seen in Venat borders on resembling a clinical narcissist or, if I were to stay in my lane, a prodigal coward. This entire story was simply a fetishization of pain and suffering with someone mentioning an analogy I agree with in saying it's as if "An aristocrat listfully thinking about the charm of what a peasant endeavors." A story about pain by people who don't know what pain is. And I'm to understand the one who made themselves into the divine protector of a now-wartorn world rife with calamity and viciousness from what we know of how beast tribes are treated and things like the Dragonsong War is the ultimate do-gooder that simply wants people to feel pain because pain builds character. Also people call her the Mother Crystal?

I was already beaten enough by my real mother, thank you. I don't need a virtual one chipping in.

Harrowing look into my personal life aside, this really is all I extracted from the expansion and with pretty potent bile growing in me. To worship what's adjacent to abuse and is just flat out treason? Bah, I'll leave well enough alone. It's definitely something I could get carried away from. I'll maintain that EW simply feels like it was written by people who are completely disconnected with those who have truly felt what it's like to be trampled underfoot while.. well.. idealizing said trampling (but it's okay because if you kill everyone who thinks you're wrong or happen to be favored by the right people, you'll be justified and nothing can hurt you. Right, Heidi/Scions?). I really hope 6.1 onwards is better.

The writers are not disconnected. Lose the thought train that writers are obligated to avoid offending you or anyone else. Story writers write what they want and like it or not. If they choose they will offend, gross out,shock or do things that go against ones moral compass. They are writing to entertain not to pamper anyones issues personal or otherwise.

[Erendis]

It’s especially interesting when you take into account that whole spheal they made pre endwalker with the amano art of hydaelyn and zodiark saying “there is no good and no evil in this picture” but then have Venat outright named a hero…

Even when she behaved exactly the same as Hermes: kept nature of the threat hidden for her own agenda.

[KizuyaKatogami]

This and even though we were barely formed and tiny on our first trip through, from there on out we are always tangible and correctly sized. Not complaining too hard because I love Elpis but...how? How can I even travel there through literal time using an aetheryte? Why would I not have to travel through the portal Elidibus makes us every time? At least they make an effort to explain why we can return to Ultima Thule anytime.

I have a question kind of relating to this that i don’t know if it was ever answered or what…but why does Emet look the way he does in Elpis? That appearance is supposed to be young Solus. He should look nothing like that in his original form lol.

[BrokentoothMarch]

The writers are not disconnected. Lose the thought train that writers are obligated to avoid offending you or anyone else. Story writers write what they want and like it or not. If they choose they will offend, gross out,shock or do things that go against ones moral compass. They are writing to entertain not to pamper anyones issues personal or otherwise.

Where did I demand to be pampered? What are you even talking about? They didn't shock or offend. This just flat out was stupid in conveyance? If you're going to white knight, can you at least retain coherency?

Your heroes don't always have to follow a moral compass. It's when you decide you want to force the viewer to adapt their compass with the character's when there is a very obvious disconnect between that character's principles and that with those that are most widely accepted. Unless you intend to tell me tormenting others to make them stronger and genociding your species is somehow justifiable?

Like that first bit is LITERALLY an undeniable and massive symptom of narcissism, to say nothing of making herself a goddess later on and naming the world after herself. Call me close minded, but most narcissist tend to be bad people and Venat doesn't strike me as breaking the mold. So when the writers seem surprised that most do not want to relate or sympathize with a cruel narcissist, that's usually a sign that the writers might be disconnected from their audience.

This isn't me crying about seeing a girl get stabbed and blowing it up into some weird political tangent. Venat is a bad person. The writers think she is a good person. Most people agree Venat is a bad person. This is literally what being disconnected means.

[KageTokage]

I have a question kind of relating to this that i don’t know if it was ever answered or what…but why does Emet look the way he does in Elpis? That appearance is supposed to be young Solus. He should look nothing like that in his original form lol.

Considering that he mentions taking over some poor sap's body then reshaping it into the likeness of Solus when he traveled to the First, I don't think it would be a stretch that he changed the appearance of other bodies he claimed to more closely resemble that of his original one.

Especially with him being a slave to sentiment as some put it.

[NanaWiloh]

Where did I demand to be pampered? What are you even talking about? They didn't shock or offend. This just flat out was stupid in conveyance? If you're going to white knight, can you at least retain coherency?

Your heroes don't always have to follow a moral compass. It's when you decide you want to force the viewer to adapt their compass with the character's when there is a very obvious disconnect between that character's principles and that with those that are most widely accepted. Unless you intend to tell me tormenting others to make them stronger and genociding your species is somehow justifiable?

Like that first bit is LITERALLY an undeniable and massive symptom of narcissism, to say nothing of making herself a goddess later on and naming the world after herself. Call me close minded, but most narcissist tend to be bad people and Venat doesn't strike me as breaking the mold. So when the writers seem surprised that most do not want to relate or sympathize with a cruel narcissist, that's usually a sign that the writers might be disconnected from their audience.

This isn't me crying about seeing a girl get stabbed and blowing it up into some weird political tangent. Venat is a bad person. The writers think she is a good person. Most people agree Venat is a bad person. This is literally what being disconnected means.

Close minded is a understatment.

[BrokentoothMarch]

Close minded is a understatment.

The irony in your post is palpable. You won't tackle anything I say and shut down when I explain my position.

You are allowed to like Venat and the story. Some people here just don't and we want to share with each other why. Not sure what coming here and being passive-aggressive gets you.