How to fix WHM and AST

[Liam_Harper]

White Mages are fine for Healers who want to heal. White Mages are not fine for DPS who roll Healers who do not like healing.

It's hilarious just how opposite reality is to what you've typed.

[HisShadowX]

It's hilarious just how opposite reality is to what you've typed.

Well, keep in mind you people as a member of the Hardcore Minority you people all like systems the majority of players don't like. You people all said the cross class system was here to stay and then whined when it went away because it is easier to level without it and you would lose cross class skills to make you a better DPS at healing. If the systems you people like so much were so great Final Fantasy XIV ARR would never existed and Tanka's Final Fantasy XIV would have never been destroyed.

Or we would still have the Cross Class System that thankfully was wiped before you joined FFXIV.

[ty_taurus]

Well, keep in mind you people as a member of the Hardcore Minority you people all like systems the majority of players don't like. You people all said the cross class system was here to stay and then whined when it went away because it is easier to level without it and you would lose cross class skills to make you a better DPS at healing. If the systems you people like so much were so great Final Fantasy XIV ARR would still exist and Tanka's Final Fantasy XIV would have never been destroyed.

Or we would still have the Cross Class System that thankfully was wiped before you joined FFXIV.

What in the world does any of that nonsense have to do with WHM's outright worse healing capabilities?

[Silver-Strider]

Well, keep in mind you people as a member of the Hardcore Minority you people all like systems the majority of players don't like. You people all said the cross class system was here to stay and then whined when it went away because it is easier to level without it and you would lose cross class skills to make you a better DPS at healing. If the systems you people like so much were so great Final Fantasy XIV ARR would never existed and Tanka's Final Fantasy XIV would have never been destroyed.

Or we would still have the Cross Class System that thankfully was wiped before you joined FFXIV.

I swear I had a stroke trying to make sense of this. The Cross Class system was absolute garbage and did nothing but constantly nerf WHM in every expansion.

Protect lost the Pro-shell trait going into HW because "It wouldn't be fair if only WHM had the trait" and yet every healer currently has AoE Shielding effects EXCEPT WHM so that was BS.
Stoneskin 1+2 both got removed entirely with Divine Benison being Stoneskin but worse, with the only saving grace being that it's an oGCD. This meant that the Graniteskin Trait that made Stoneskin on WHM stronger than the cross role equivalent was also removed.
Cleric Stance was just straight up removed.
Divine Seal became Largesse in SB so that everyone could have it, despite neither AST or SCH needing the damn thing because they already had skills that buffed their GCD healing while also having solid oGCD skills. Now, we have to wait for level 80 to get Divine Seal's effect back in Temperance, at DOUBLE the CD because they added 10% mitigation to it as though Sacred Soil, Kerachole and Collective Unconsciousness don't provide that same Mitigation at half the CD.
Esuna is only there because they removed SCH/AST's equivalent skills in the grand Homogeneity of healers.
Shroud of Saints became Lucid Dreaming because of similar reasons so that SE didn't have to worry about making unique MP sustain tools for each healer......and went and did that anyways because Shroud of Saints wasn't enough for WHM in ARR and it still isn't.
Repose is the single most useless ability in the game and how it hasn't been removed yet just goes to show how little SE actually cares about healers.

The Cross Class/Role system is by far one of the worst systems in FFXIV but how that relates to WHM being the "fine for Healers who want to heal" when nothing on there helps with healing at all is the biggest strawman argument I've ever seen that it borders on delusion and leaves me questioning your sanity as a result.

[RinaShinomiya]

Repose is the single most useless ability in the game and how it hasn't been removed yet just goes to show how little SE actually cares about healers.

To be fair they did the same to Casters by making BLM's sleep a role action, which is equally useless in content that isn't Eureka/Bozja. So i wouldn't necessarily use this as a example of how healers are neglected. What i would use as a example is that WHM early game is absolute garbage on a new character. Many Solo duties just make you go oom before you finish them because you have 0 Piety and no access to Lucid dreaming (and if you're not leveling on a preferred world, like i did last time i did conjurer alt, the absence of that skill is even longer). Ironically every other healer has it much better but none of them are selectable for a new character so that's a cruel joke by the devs.

[Silver-Strider]

To be fair they did the same to Casters by making BLM's sleep a role action, which is equally useless in content that isn't Eureka/Bozja. So i wouldn't necessarily use this as a example of how healers are neglected. What i would use as a example is that WHM early game is absolute garbage on a new character. Many Solo duties just make you go oom before you finish them because you have 0 Piety and no access to Lucid dreaming (and if you're not leveling on a preferred world, like i did last time i did conjurer alt, the absence of that skill is even longer). Ironically every other healer has it much better but none of them are selectable for a new character so that's a cruel joke by the devs.

Yeah but it wasn't forced on casters to complete a quest like it was on Healers.

[ty_taurus]

To be fair they did the same to Casters by making BLM's sleep a role action, which is equally useless in content that isn't Eureka/Bozja. So i wouldn't necessarily use this as a example of how healers are neglected. What i would use as a example is that WHM early game is absolute garbage on a new character. Many Solo duties just make you go oom before you finish them because you have 0 Piety and no access to Lucid dreaming (and if you're not leveling on a preferred world, like i did last time i did conjurer alt, the absence of that skill is even longer). Ironically every other healer has it much better but none of them are selectable for a new character so that's a cruel joke by the devs.

You know, even in those niche examples, Sleep isn't great. It would be great if you could use Repose/Sleep in deep dungeons to avoid enemies, but that generates aggro so you're still forced to deal with them.