Please grow the MMO part of the game. End game is lousy.

[Izar_Chillen]

There is indeed a market for single-player games.

There is not, however, a large market for MMO's poorly bent into an extremely suboptimal, feature-incomplete single-player experiences that costs 15usd per month on top of its base price. Other SE titles are built from the ground up to be single-player experiences and offer a deep feature-set consistent with that vision. This game does not do that, at all, and it never will be able to do so to a satisfactory level. They are better off doing a single-player remake that reimagines the story after this game goes into life-support.

Indeed SWTOR is a testament to that

Its been so SOLO focused for so long , it had [SOLO] tagged dungeons (flashpoints) that gave you a God bot to heal,dps and tank for you in story mode instances , the planets and the maps for the expansions became series mini maps and corridors and were set in separate instanced "chapters" with not a single soul in sight bar the braindead easy mode enemy npcs


And it had already failed hard years b4 , its recent new "expansion" is a mere few hours long

[DPZ2]

Who is we? I have probably played this game longer than you have. I can tell you now, it used to have a lot more casual content, and a lot more harder content. It pretty much appeased everyone. Now there just isn't content. I am not really understanding how you can defend this by saying they aren't turning this into WoW. You have to have content to retain a player base. People left WoW because there was not enough content, and the content they added was just a endless grind.

Having spent over a decade playing World of Warcraft (from BC through BFA) and having spent over seven years playing Final Fantasy XIV, I can safely say this game is nothing much like WoW, nor is it in danger of becoming WoW. People left WoW because the only content that mattered was raiding and Mythic dungeons. You could skip every. single. dungeon. instance. in the game safely while leveling ... believe me, I had one of each class, Alliance and Horde-side, at level 110 when I started to give up. The BFA storyline didn't help.

WoW was a grind. But it came from an era when every MMORPG was a constant grind. Don't get me started about Zevhra hoofs ...

Now, WoW is a just a quick hop, story skip and level jump to Endgame(tm). Doesn't help that they retconned every expansion and book (and man, there were sooooo many books) out of existence in their latest escapades -- for which I blame BFA and the subsequent Travesty that exists now for the Exodus.

This game, Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn, has a well-planned schedule of content patches, designed for those people who are not particularly concerned about raiding every week until the next patch comes out.

The first two years of ARR were chock-full of things you might remember fondly mostly because the developers weren't sure what would stick. They certainly became more comfortable with scheduling (and finding what didn't stick) during Heavensward.

The game has lots of content. It just isn't content that you, specifically, wish to consume. And that's ok. Square Enix isn't that concerned that you maintain a constant subscription. When the content you're specifically looking for has been consumed, their attitude is "Take a break. Go do something else."

You can take it from someone who is certainly older, if not wiser, than you: "There is more to life than a single MMORPG". There are multiple MMORPGs to play concurrently! And single-player games! And, um, books and music and Netflix and ...

[Hysorn]

The sheer number of people that took this bait is honestly a bit impressive.

I'll be honest, I will never understand this particular culture in these forums to say "Criticism = Troll" every single thread that doesn't shout praise at the game is defined as a bait thread by someone.

[IdowhatIwant]

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You letting them brain wash you. It is NOT about the content not being specifically what people wish to consume it is just a lack. If you are a new player, there is a lot of content. If you are not a new player, most of the content that comes out can be finished with in a week or less then you have nothing for another 3 months. How many people still do the ocean fishing thing any more?

[DPZ2]

I'll be honest, I will never understand this particular culture in these forums to say "Criticism = Troll" every single thread that doesn't shout praise at the game is defined as a bait thread by someone.

Criticism has its place. But a thread that starts out with a title like "Please Grow the MMO part of the game. End game is Lousy" followed by a misinterpretation of what was actually said in the last live letter, along with general handwaving and an assertion that "Your game is literally emptying out right now because of low content." seems to be the definition of "troll bait", rather than criticism.

I've read forum posts that start with criticism, they usually contain more actual critiques than git gud, dev team, do what I want.

[VirusOnline]

You letting them brain wash you. It is NOT about the content not being specifically what people wish to consume it is just a lack. If you are a new player, there is a lot of content. If you are not a new player, most of the content that comes out can be finished with in a week or less then you have nothing for another 3 months. How many people still do the ocean fishing thing any more?

keep in mind, a leaf can go to maxxed out everything and experience all the game has to offer in less than a year if not less than half a year
tons of content or not, it's just more of the exact same type of content each expansion which makes it even worse after a player has fully realised and experienced all the content

[DPZ2]

You letting them brain wash you. It is NOT about the content not being specifically what people wish to consume it is just a lack. If you are a new player, there is a lot of content. If you are not a new player, most of the content that comes out can be finished with in a week or less then you have nothing for another 3 months. How many people still do the ocean fishing thing any more?

Like I said, I've been playing for over seven years now. I know what's available, I know there's more that I haven't done in-game than stuff I've actually finished. I dabbled for an entire boat ride with Ocean Fishing and was like "meh, not for me at this time". Doesn't mean I won't pursue it later.

A question for you: do you have all crafters and gatherers at level 90, with a full set of Master Recipes? Have you finished each and every Sightseeing log entry? Have you fished at each and every fishing hole in the game? There's plenty to do, but it probably doesn't suit your tastes, nor should it. If the only thing you mean by 'content' is Quests and Endgame Instances, you're missing out.

I spend days not playing Final Fantasy XIV. I have gotten to the final trial in current content but haven't done it yet. I don't plan on raiding. I play games when I want to have fun, not because I have to play to get my money's worth. I enjoy Dungeon and Dragons and have done so on-and-off for over 40 years. I enjoy reading fanfiction, watching anime, listening to music, writing/Role-playing in-game and outside of the game. I take classes to learn Japanese. I play other MMORPGs for an evening.

This game is not the Center of my Universe, although it is the one MMORPG that I'll come back to, again and again. There are a lot of players I've come to know and enjoy their company over the last seven-plus years.

I heartily believe in the advice that SE's Producer gave out a while back "take a break. do something else".

[DPZ2]

keep in mind, a leaf can go to maxxed out everything and experience all the game has to offer in less than a year if not less than half a year
tons of content or not, it's just more of the exact same type of content each expansion which makes it even worse after a player has fully realised and experienced all the content

The person who can max out everything and experience all the game has to offer in less than a year is surely one of the Devoted, or a teenager. (Yeah, I raised two of them, yeah, only one of them played WoW, yeah, they both own Playstation consoles and play games only occasionally now that they're in their mid-twenties/early thirties).

[KizuyaKatogami]

Like I said, I've been playing for over seven years now. I know what's available, I know there's more that I haven't done in-game than stuff I've actually finished. I dabbled for an entire boat ride with Ocean Fishing and was like "meh, not for me at this time". Doesn't mean I won't pursue it later.

A question for you: do you have all crafters and gatherers at level 90, with a full set of Master Recipes? Have you finished each and every Sightseeing log entry? Have you fished at each and every fishing hole in the game? There's plenty to do, but it probably doesn't suit your tastes, nor should it. If the only thing you mean by 'content' is Quests and Endgame Instances, you're missing out.

I spend days not playing Final Fantasy XIV. I have gotten to the final trial in current content but haven't done it yet. I don't plan on raiding. I play games when I want to have fun, not because I have to play to get my money's worth. I enjoy Dungeon and Dragons and have done so on-and-off for over 40 years. I enjoy reading fanfiction, watching anime, listening to music, writing/Role-playing in-game and outside of the game. I take classes to learn Japanese. I play other MMORPGs for an evening.

This game is not the Center of my Universe, although it is the one MMORPG that I'll come back to, again and again. There are a lot of players I've come to know and enjoy their company over the last seven-plus years.

I heartily believe in the advice that SE's Producer gave out a while back "take a break. do something else".

“take a break do something else, but don’t be gone for more than 45 days otherwise you lose your hard earned house and now to get it back you need to play with rng.” Yeah great motto. I can answer your question. I have all my crafters and gatherers to 90. I’ve had it that way since like, late december early january. I’ve finished savage raiding for this tier. I’ve done ocean fishing, all the fishing holes, diadem, ishgard restoration, relics you name it. Honestly there’s nothing pulling me into the game anymore, especially with some of the job decisions this expansion(healing is a major problem that Yoshi P just handwaved in the recent QnA, he clearly doesn’t care). 6.1 will be an alli raid which you do once a week and you’re done. Island sanctuary which will be housing and minion farms in one it seems. And then an Ultimate which a pretty small portion of the playerbase does, not to say it’s insignificant of course but still. That seems to be about it. We’ll be waiting until August for the next raid tier.This all doesn’t even account for the fact they’re now going to be focusing on making the game a single player visual novel basically. Which means less time put towards new content and more time being put towards old content for new players, something that we saw happen in ShB.

[Strika23]

I think the problem with end game right now is that there isn't enough to do other than your weeklys for tomes/raid gear item. I know there is new content on the horizon for patch 6.1 like alliance raid, new dungeon, etc. but there needs to be more added to the formula between patches.

Some suggestions to buff end game content:
They need a new pvp system with glamour rewards to give incentive for people to want to pvp. ( I know this is on the way, but they are taking a LONG time to add this).
89-90 dungeons should always have gear that people will want to go back and run the dungeon for, not trash accessories or undyeable old gear.
More world content
Beast Tribe quests should have been added at EW launch, having no new beast tribe to grind rep right now sucks.
Cosmetic rewards for hard content (like vouchers for hairstyles, make up/face paint, accessories, etc.)
Mythic type dungeons where people can be challenged in dungeons. I get having levelling dungeons be easier, but endgame content should be harder.
New crafting armor sets that aren't old models from Stormblood expansion Give crafters a reason to want to craft new, sexy gear.