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    Player KizuyaKatogami's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
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    I think you’re forgetting the part where despite Emet not believing us, he still needed to investigate our claims due to his duty of the star, this implies he’d do no different for Venat were she to approach him. She wouldn’t need to announce it globally at first, she was friends with Emet and Hythlo, two very important people in the ancient world whose names carry a lot of weight. She is a previous Azem. Her people opposed Zodiark yet her entire plan hinged upon 1.)Zodiark’s creation, 2)Elidibus surviving the sundering 3.)The rejoinings.

    The reason people don’t focus so much on Hermes as much as they do Venat i believe, is because the story portrays her as some Herois. She herself says she did wrong things yes, but the overall narrative paints a different light and that’s what leaves people in a sour mood. It would be the equivalent of if at the end of shadowbringers we got an Emet minion that called him a hero. People would no doubt be calling that out. As far as the continues sacrifices go, there’s literally nothing that indicates that. Had venat told them the truth, they most likely could have figured something out. We know they were capable of manipulating dynamis, and able to create entities that could manipulate it. It wasn’t a lose lose situation, she contradicted her own claims and gave up hope on her people and instead placed everything in the hands of a single individual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami View Post
    The reason people don’t focus so much on Hermes as much as they do Venat i believe, is because the story portrays her as some Herois. She herself says she did wrong things yes, but the overall narrative paints a different light and that’s what leaves people in a sour mood. It would be the equivalent of if at the end of shadowbringers we got an Emet minion that called him a hero. People would no doubt be calling that out. As far as the continues sacrifices go, there’s literally nothing that indicates that. Had venat told them the truth, they most likely could have figured something out. We know they were capable of manipulating dynamis, and able to create entities that could manipulate it. It wasn’t a lose lose situation, she contradicted her own claims and gave up hope on her people and instead placed everything in the hands of a single individual.
    We have people in this community already shouting "Emet-Selch did nothing wrong" and they're swooned all over him because of his burden and charm. At least I see this view on him more often and they choose to ignore all the terrible things he's done. And like I said, Venat did confided the truth to some people, which is where the whole debate between summoning Zodiark came from in the first place. Now I realize we dont know the full details that occurred during that exchange but Im pretty sure it involved Venat and her group trying to tell the Convocation of XIV that Zodiark wouldnt be the best solution due to Meteion but they still summoned him anyway. I'll admit this on itself is just another assumption but its how I would think it would've played out. Also Emet-Selch was more prone to investigating the Final Days because of the WoL being there. The WoL time traveling to the past and having a connection to Venat was his bread crumb that maybe something was definitely off, otherwise Emet-Selch being the prideful stubborn individual that he is who wouldve scoffed at such claims if it were anyone else. If he still retained his memories from the Hermes and Meteion reveal he no doubt would've continued to try to convince the others of the truth behind the Final Days but he was robbed of such knowledge so he just resumed being his usual self that everything was alright nothing to see here.

    I seriously dont get where people's knickers get into a twist about the whole thing, its almost as if they desperately wanted to have Venat be this manipulative evil villian all along because that just tends to be the case in most jrpg stories with gods and what not but they pulled the twist that her decisions werent so black and white as we were led to believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    We have people in this community already shouting "Emet-Selch did nothing wrong" and they're swooned all over him because of his burden and charm. At least I see this view on him more often and they choose to ignore all the terrible things he's done. And like I said, Venat did confided the truth to some people, which is where the whole debate between summoning Zodiark came from in the first place. Now I realize we dont know the full details that occurred during that exchange but Im pretty sure it involved Venat and her group trying to tell the Convocation of XIV that Zodiark wouldnt be the best solution due to Meteion but they still summoned him anyway. I'll admit this on itself is just another assumption but its how I would think it would've played out. Also Emet-Selch was more prone to investigating the Final Days because of the WoL being there. The WoL time traveling to the past and having a connection to Venat was his bread crumb that maybe something was definitely off, otherwise Emet-Selch being the prideful stubborn individual that he is who wouldve scoffed at such claims if it were anyone else. If he still retained his memories from the Hermes and Meteion reveal he no doubt would've continued to try to convince the others of the truth behind the Final Days but he was robbed of such knowledge so he just resumed being his usual self that everything was alright nothing to see here.

    I seriously dont get where people's knickers get into a twist about the whole thing, its almost as if they desperately wanted to have Venat be this manipulative evil villian all along because that just tends to be the case in most jrpg stories with gods and what not but they pulled the twist that her decisions werent so black and white as we were led to believe.
    Venat's plot ultimately prevented the acceleration of the heat death of the universe an the end of all existing life, even if it wasn't without sacrifice. IDK why people get so pissy about it. It's all Hermes' fault for being reckless AF and deploying what amounts to a swarm of a highly experimental AI drones based on barely understood theoretical principles, without a single test, oversight or peer-reviewing.
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