"You pull, you tank" is a bad mentality

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Well, it seems that not everyone is cut out for Tanking. I hope that you're able to find a DPS job that will better accommodate your playstyle.

[Padudu]

Well, it seems that not everyone is cut out for Tanking. I hope that you're able to find a DPS job that will better accommodate your playstyle.

nah but ty for the suggestion! playing tank is quite fun would highly recommend 10/10. gets even better once you find a static to do clears with!

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Tell me about it when you find one. Though you may want to work on it a bit more as you just aren't there yet when it comes to this tanking thing.

[Galasomeone]

I have to say, that when I'm tanking I don't really like it when a dps runs off and "pulls for me." But from time to time, it's fine. Often enough, they will bring more than either I or the healer can handle. I mean, sometimes it's not more than I can handle but I know the healer can't. Other times it seems they pulled the entire dungeon and ran back to the first room with them. I do indeed pull more slowly than those doing them for the 435th time want. But I haven't been playing long enough to be able to mostly watch Netflix going through. Chill. You got an extra 5 minutes. Especially if it's a new healer that hasn't been before. Just Chill. Likely if it's the first MSQ dungeon it's the first time that healer ever has been in any dungeon at all completely, or healing it, which is different from just hitting everything on a dps.

But they were doing that to me when I first started playing the game, as a tank. I had absolutely no idea and here came 10 mobs for me to taunt off everyone. With one single target taunt. That has a cooldown. Even with stance on, I didn't know how to handle that at first. I didn't even know if I had an aoe of any sort that would help. They already had aggro. I had 3 attacking me but one hit from a dps after pull w/out me close they would peel the aggro. I just didn't totally know what i was doing and here are these jerks "helping me out" like that. At around level 30 I switched to DPS. Only after getting that DPS to 90 and finishing all the MSQ did I go back and start tanking again. But not on that already 30 tank, on one of the other tank jobs. I played Warrior a while and liked it, but then on a whim I tried Pally again on an alt char, from level 1. And love it. But then I went in with some idea what I was doing and experience in those dungeons. So I got my confidence back and now I just don't worry about it. You gotta put up with stuff when you tank. Even in FFXIV which has the best and most friendly/helpful people in any MMO. Yes I know sometimes they really are irritated but won't say anything. That's fine. They're likely ticking me off a little too and I don't say anything either. So far I've never just quit and left a place unless everyone else is.

Let me clarify: I didn't stop playing my first tank, a paladin, because I didn't' like the job, but rather because of the experienced players pulling garbage on me like this. Then I became an "experienced player" and suddenly tanking was fun again. Sometimes "you pull it, you tank it" is perfectly fine, sometimes it isn't.

[Padudu]

Tell me about it when you find one. Though you may want to work on it a bit more as you just aren't there yet when it comes to this tanking thing.

kk will update you! ngl I kinda like this weird dynamic we have going on, can we keep it. I'm meaning this fr it's kinda funny lmao

(all things considered you aren't a beta male I promise fam, I'm just too edgy and troll :/)

[Ath192]

I understood it just fine lmao my point is, it's a moot point to make bcus every opinion in this thread is biased, if there was any objectivity it probably left the page by like pg 5. it's just weird to go about how my post is biased when you're just straight up calling DPS selfish and rude for pulling ahead lol. but whatever strokes your ego

as the rest, I'm too lazy to reply but ya honestly you just shouldn't care lmao imagine being so tilted at a DPS for pulling that you report them I can't. like I said before in an earlier post I've tanked a lot, never really encountered DPS who was like "you HAVE to do this!" but I guess I'll cross the bridge one day lol. most times if you die to a mob or two most people just go the boring way bcus they'd rather get it over with but idk

also tbh sometimes I hope the DPS pulls if I don't remember where to go in a dungeon lmao

If you understood just fine then I don't know why you go around accusing people of things they didn't do.

As for the rest I've rarely seen a situation blow up so up so big it ends in a kick/report. But I have seen it happen and it usually happens after a death occurs and it is followed up by insults. Saying noone should care about bad DPS behavior is just apologizing and enabling them to do it more often when in fact its wrong. It's like defending a kid that stole candy at a store. Yeah its not a big deal but it is still wrong.

Finally if you hope the DPS pulls for you because you can't hit "M" and open the map for one second you should reconsider using a job whos job it is to be ahead of the group and hold aggro.

[Lyth]

People tend to get defensive and stubborn when you ask them to do something directly in chat, because then it becomes about their ego and their authority as 'the tank of this dungeon'. This is both boring and a pain to deal with so you're better off not going down that route.

There's a little trick that you can do on the sly that's pretty consistently effective, though. If you're not tanking a run and you need to speed it up, just stay silent and walk about a hair's breadth behind the tank. The instant that the the first pack gets tagged, hit sprint and move to the spot just before where the second pack activates and wait to let the tank catch up to you. As long as you signal what needs to be done wordlessly, people assume that it was always their idea in the first place. It works the vast majority of the time without bruising anyone's ego. If they're still stuck on the first pack (which can happen on rare occasion if the tank in question has very myopic situational awareness), then hesitantly come back part of the distance into their line of sight as if to curiously check out what they're still doing back there. That usually gets things moving again. As long as nobody starts typing this is usually a fairly safe strategy.

It's unfortunate because you can really speed up runs by playing dps when you're supported by a semi-competent tank who knows how to fluently pull. Most people have a tank levelled that they can run dungeons with, but it's nice to have a bit of variety.

[Padudu]

If you understood just fine then I don't know why you go around accusing people of things they didn't do.

i like making people feel spicy

As for the rest I've rarely seen a situation blow up so up so big it ends in a kick/report. But I have seen it happen and it usually happens after a death occurs and it is followed up by insults. Saying noone should care about bad DPS behavior is just apologizing and enabling them to do it more often when in fact its wrong.

It's like defending a kid that stole candy at a store. Yeah its not a big deal but it is still wrong.

lmao i'm not playing to chastise DPS for pulling and we die esp when I don't care. It's a game, it happens, we learn and we move on. I mean obv report if they're being a D about it though, but personally I've never had it really happen

Finally if you hope the DPS pulls for you because you can't hit "M" and open the map for one second you should reconsider using a job whos job it is to be ahead of the group and hold aggro.

sometimes ya girl lazy ya feel, idk as long as they pull the mob back to me makes my job ez, if they don't whatever

[Ath192]

People tend to get defensive and stubborn when you ask them to do something directly in chat, because then it becomes about their ego and their authority as 'the tank of this dungeon'. This is both boring and a pain to deal with so you're better off not going down that route.

There's a little trick that you can do on the sly that's pretty consistently effective, though. If you're not tanking a run and you need to speed it up, just stay silent and walk about a hair's breadth behind the tank. The instant that the the first pack gets tagged, hit sprint and move to the spot just before where the second pack activates and wait to let the tank catch up to you. As long as you signal what needs to be done wordlessly, people assume that it was always their idea in the first place. It works the vast majority of the time without bruising anyone's ego. If they're still stuck on the first pack (which can happen on rare occasion if the tank in question has very myopic situational awareness), then hesitantly come back part of the distance into their line of sight as if to curiously check out what they're still doing back there. That usually gets things moving again. As long as nobody starts typing this is usually a fairly safe strategy.

It's unfortunate because you can really speed up runs by playing dps when you're supported by a semi-competent tank who knows how to fluently pull. Most people have a tank levelled that they can run dungeons with, but it's nice to have a bit of variety.

Yep, this a good strat actually. Let’s them know you could do way more and are ready to do so if they just pull more. I usually play DPS and employ this a lot. What I don’t do is pull the next pack, get myself killed and then blame the tank for it saying he was YPYT.

This is especially true because single pulling tanks are usually the newer tanks and thus the most likely not able to handle that situation. Any higher skill tank would double pull.

[ForteNightshade]

It's the Tank.

You know what I do when I'm healing or DPS? I let the Tank dictate the flow.

None of y'all know the Tank's experience level, their cooldown timers, or their situation behind the screen unless you're a premade. Yet you have the audacity to try and dictate how they do their job? Please.

If you want to so badly be the lead then play Tank. We could always use more. Though something tells me that a lot of you complaining about this are not up to par when it comes to that role and would grow easily frustrated if bad DPS decided to pull everything ahead of you then blame you for not compensating for their toxicity.

The game could really benefit by a lot of you DPS learning the tanking Role and doing just that. Maybe you'll gain some empathy and humility too from the experience.

Not to toot my own horn here but I'm a pretty skilled tank and I couldn't care less if the DPS or Healer pulls ahead of me. In fact, I appreciate it because this means the mobs will be lumped together and thus, easier to pick up off them. Regardless, I've said this time and again. If you're so inexperienced as a tank to single pull, don't queue above 50. Even 60 is... tolerable. But if you're single pulling in Holminster Switch, you simply aren't ready to tank at that level yet. So go back and practice like the rest of us did when we were babies. If I can spam ARR dungeons to better prepare myself for big pulls, so can you.

And your Trust clears will always be slower than any player clear even if the Tank is a little slower than what you demand of them.

This is untrue, actually. Trusts can both handle double pulls and will outpace single pulling DF parties. Or at the very least match them. Urianger does incredibly high damage in AoE settings. So much in fact he out-DPSed me, a fully BiS tank, in Altiascope—boasting a ridiculous 12k. If you look on Youtube, people have done the massive 15 mob super pull in Mt. Gulg with Trusts and the big double pull in Qitana with Thancred. To be fair, the Mt. Gulg pull was done by a Warrior (albeit in ShB) but the point still stands. I don't even expect healers to handle that pull yet the Trusts can do it. So...