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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    Yeah no, art is beyond criticism as far as the "i don't like it" goes.

    As i said, some people might like a mary sue character, is that now wrong? What makes your standard the superior one? What makes your opinion the only true opinion? Exactly, what is good for you might be bad for others. What you hate others might like. There is no universal good or bad especially in art.

    Not to mention that there is a difference in storytelling in different cultures. Is the common japanese way now worse than your western ways?

    And no, you don't pay them money to continue writing it. You pay them money to gain access to the content. That is all. They can tell you tomorrow that the art gallery is closed and you get a refund for your season ticket and that is that.

    And as i said before, saying what you dislike is all good and dandy. But there is a difference between saying "i don't like XYZ" and "the writing is flawed". One is your opinion the other one is a arrogant comment on a topic that is highly subjective. To make a claim of objectivity, which "the writing is flawed" is, is arrogant beyond measure. Cause you put your own opinion of "i don't like it" over all other opinions and act like your opinion is the only truth here.

    So what i am saying is, don't be rude in your criticism and state your opinion and don't make your opinion into an universal fact. Cause as i said, some people might enjoy it, some might not.
    So you think it's good writing when a character is the same, 10 years later, as they were when they were introduced? People don't say that about Zenos and he was in the plot for far less time, yet are willing to give Y'shtola a pass, why? Because catgirl hot awooga?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    So you think it's good writing when a character is the same, 10 years later, as they were when they were introduced? People don't say that about Zenos and he was in the plot for far less time, yet are willing to give Y'shtola a pass, why? Because catgirl hot awooga?
    Y'shtola has changed. Zenos is a putz

    He's that pervy stalker you tolerate because he has a car when you need to get somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    Y'shtola has changed. Zenos is a putz

    He's that pervy stalker you tolerate because he has a car when you need to get somewhere.
    Can you tell me how Y'shtola has changed not physically, but mentally or emotionally since her introduction into the game?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    Can you tell me how Y'shtola has changed not physically, but mentally or emotionally since her introduction into the game?
    More mature, more assertive. Earlier she was like a youngster pretending to be a big girl. After some experience her words and actions carry some weight. There's not as much difference as Alisaie but Shtola was a little further along when we meet her.
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    Last edited by MsQi; 02-21-2022 at 11:55 PM.
    "A good RPG needs a healthy dose of imbalance."
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    Quote Originally Posted by MsQi View Post
    More mature, more assertive. Earlier she was like a youngster pretending to be a big girl. After some experience her words and actions carry some weight. There's not as much difference as Alisaie but Shtola was a little further along when we meet her.
    Assertive as opposed to what? When was she ever... not assertive? Mature? She rejected a certain Au'ra's advances in the most savage way possible(The Burn Savage). A more mature lady would have rejected him in a more compassionate manner, even if he did deserve to be knocked down a peg.

    Quote Originally Posted by Tanis_Ebonhart View Post
    Way to forget about the rest of the previous Scions.

    Poor Minfilla, Papy, and Lyse are betrayed yet again by the community.

    Also, replay Stormblood. Y'shtola shows more emotions there such as her desperation to save Lyse and realizing that Zenos is far beyond even the WoL early on.
    Lyse had a whole expansion devoted to her. She's a polarizing character that people either like or dislike. She's like the complete opposite of Y'shtola. She's impulsive, emotional, and has been shown to make mistakes frequently.
    Unfortunately, Papy was kind of thrown away for Lyse's development. Minfilia was a pretty boring character as well who I feel emotionally and mentally remained the same throughout, but I don't have to deal with her anymore.
    Lyse, Papy, and Minfilia are either largely out of the story or out altogether.

    Y'shtola has shown the barest hint of having emotions and only in the most extreme situations. Sorry but I don't consider 'Lyse, Run!' or 'Such infernal strength!' some kind of emotional epiphany.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zabuza View Post
    She rejected a certain Au'ra's advances in the most savage way possible(The Burn Savage). A more mature lady would have rejected him in a more compassionate manner, even if he did deserve to be knocked down a peg.
    If a writer is going to play into a character's arrogance and entitlement, they need to pay that off in kind. She was more than compassionate. That was also two expansions ago.
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    "A good RPG needs a healthy dose of imbalance."
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