Y'shtola is a Mary Sue.

[Zabuza]

He was a one-note villain he slaughter people for his amusement and only wanted to fight if you ask me he was a sickening character and in some ways was designed for people to hate too. But he was a very dead-end character whose story should have ended in Stormblood and in my opinion, he should have stayed gone

In the same vein, Y'shtola is a one-note character. She only seeks the pursuit of knowledge and that's it. She never wavers or shows vulnerability no matter the circumstances.

[Saraide]

I disagree. Zenos has been shown to have great abilities true, but he has been shown to be an emotionally and mentally disturbed being. He has a gaping void in his heart that he doesn't know how to fill, and mistakenly thinks he can fill it by fighting us. He suffers from eternal boredom. He didn't care about putting a world through suffering to get what he wanted. He was not portrayed as a mentally stable individual.



I agree with this, but the WoL represents the player. I find the WoL to be extremely boring as well, but I recognize the tricky balancing act being performed by having the WoL represent us. Go too far from neutral and you risk upsetting players. Heck, that even happened this expansion when the player didn't get the option to disagree with certain choices other characters made...

There is a time and a place for every trope and as the player character the wol is that place for a mary sue character. I dont find the wol boring because your imagination is supposed to fill in the gaps. Although I do appreciate the increasingly sassy dialogue options.

Zenos is an incredibly bland character. He's evil because he's always been evil, he quite literally just hunts people for sport. He would still be pure evil in far darker stories. I get why people dont like him as villian, i personally did enjoy his character trope this time. He had exactly one moment of character development and it was basically spelled out for him by alisaie.

Also, if being bedridden for a while amounts to real consequences, then her missing from most of stormblood because of zenos almost cutting her in half is consequences. Her being lost and drifting through the aetherial sea is consequences she experienced.

In the same vein, Y'shtola is a one-note character. She only seeks the pursuit of knowledge and that's it. She never wavers or shows vulnerability no matter the circumstances.

Have we played the same game? She is plenty flustered in shadowbringers and endwalker. She is deeply worried about the wol's health and definitely shows a lot of insecurity and hesitation over it for someone who has a very reserved upbringing.

A lot of that insecurity and hesitation is also rooted in her not being able to see like other people. She has to rely on her aether sight and it has mislead her specifically in crucial situations.

[Zabuza]

Zenos is an incredibly bland character. He's evil because he's always been evil, he quite literally just hunts people for sport. He would still be pure evil in far darker stories. I get why people dont like him as villian, i personally did enjoy his character trope this time. He had exactly one moment of character development and it was basically spelled out for him by alisaie.

It could have been anything. He sought fulfillment that would fill the void in his heart. He mistakenly thought a challenge would do this. If videogames were a thing and someone challenged him in videogames, he would have pursued them with the same fervor. It's childish in a way really, but he was never allowed an emotionally mature upbringing so that makes sense. He doesn't know what friendship or love is at all. But this isn't about Zenos.

Also, if being bedridden for a while amounts to real consequences, then her missing from most of stormblood because of zenos almost cutting her in half is consequences. Her being lost and drifting through the aetherial sea is consequences she experienced.



Have we played the same game? She is plenty flustered in shadowbringers and endwalker. She is deeply worried about the wol's health and definitely shows a lot of insecurity and hesitation over it for someone who has a very reserved upbringing.

A lot of that insecurity and hesitation is also rooted in her not being able to see like other people. She has to rely on her aether sight and it has mislead her specifically in crucial situations.

I guess we must have. She never seemed all that flustered to me.