Ishgard Housing No Lottery For Wards

[ForteNightshade]

The biggest problem with lottery in my view is you get one shot with new ward releases and you have to wait not sure how many days before you find out. When you do find out all the houses will be sold. With new ward releases and fcfs you may not get your house of choice but there will be multiple opportunities for less than desirable locations especially with smalls.

This is what I feel will be an incredibly rude awakening for many people championing the lottery system. With a free-for-all system, you could bounce around to different houses or wards to hopefully grab your "backup house." When house hunting myself, I always picked out several just in case I couldn't log in fast enough or someone beat me to the plot I wanted. With the lottery system, you get one shot—with odds ranging below 1%. Lose the lottery and you can pretty much kiss housing good bye because now every plot is gone and they won't release new wards for a year or two at best.

Once again, they're just slapping a band-aid on an objectively terrible system and people are eating it up without releasing just how bad it'll end up being in the long haul.

The lottery system is the only right and fair way for both plot and non plot owners, working and non working people to have equal chances without sitting 24h in front of the screen and clicking the placecard like a mad monkey. Everyone who says something else just thinks he is better than the rest and should have and easier time than everyone else. So just leave it like it is.

With new wards, you weren't waiting 24hs. They were instantly purchase-able the moments servers went live. This isn't about thinking I or anyone else is better but pointing out the folly of how a lottery system with only one ticket has actually reduced all of our likelihood at getting a house. Maybe you can't log in as fast I could but if 2,000 houses release, you just need to be ahead of that queue to have just as equal a chance. Maybe your preferred plot isn't up anymore since you logged in at 1,100 but look over there, another plot is free and nobody is near it. Your runner up plot is yours now.

With the new lottery system, what I just described isn't possible. Instead, you put in your one ticket, cross your fingers and should you lose... wait for years just for the "privilege" of repeating the process all over again.

[Bsrking5]

Lottery system sucks, generally during content drought moments not many people are playing and its really easy to pick up a house.

This hasn't existed in a long time, and most likely will not be back until they announced they shutting development for the game.

[Bsrking5]

This is what I feel will be an incredibly rude awakening for many people championing the lottery system. With a free-for-all system, you could bounce around to different houses or wards to hopefully grab your "backup house." When house hunting myself, I always picked out several just in case I couldn't log in fast enough or someone beat me to the plot I wanted. With the lottery system, you get one shot—with odds ranging below 1%. Lose the lottery and you can pretty much kiss housing good bye because now every plot is gone and they won't release new wards for a year or two at best.

Once again, they're just slapping a band-aid on an objectively terrible system and people are eating it up without releasing just how bad it'll end up being in the long haul.

But this will also gives some players more of a chance then they ever did before. I've been there on launch day, logging on the very second it lets me in to find that literally all the houses sold already.

[ForteNightshade]

But this will also gives some players more of a chance then they ever did before. I've been there on launch day, logging on the very second it lets me in to find that literally all the houses sold already.

Emphasise being "some". All of us, on the other hand, now only have one shot. Which is objectively worse than a free-for-all system where we can bounce around to runner up plots. I'll move my edited response to Missbone below:

The lottery system is the only right and fair way for both plot and non plot owners, working and non working people to have equal chances without sitting 24h in front of the screen and clicking the placecard like a mad monkey. Everyone who says something else just thinks he is better than the rest and should have and easier time than everyone else. So just leave it like it is.

With new wards, you weren't waiting 24hs. They were instantly purchase-able the moments servers went live. This isn't about thinking I or anyone else is better but pointing out the folly of how a lottery system with only one ticket has actually reduced all of our likelihood at getting a house. Maybe you can't log in as fast I could but if 2,000 houses release, you just need to be ahead of that queue to have just as equal a chance. Maybe your preferred plot isn't up anymore since you logged in at 1,100 but look over there, another plot is free and nobody is near it. Your runner up plot is yours now.

With the new lottery system, what I just described isn't possible. Instead, you put in your one ticket, cross your fingers and should you lose... wait for years just for the "privilege" of repeating the process all over again.

Edit: Just to put things into perspective. If 200 people all apply for your desired house. Your odds of winning are 0.5% Going further, if you were to compete in 100 lottery attempts your odds of finally getting a plot would still only be 39%. It takes 100 attempts to not even have half the probable odds to actually succeed at winning a house. That's how ridiculously improbable this system is.

Even if just 50 people apply to the small you want. That's 2%.

For reference sake all these odds are worse than EX mount farms, Savage PF loot drops and even the minion from Dead Seas that everyone complains doesn't exist all have better odds of you winning than of you getting a house with just 50 people competing.

[SturmChurro]

Lottery system sucks. Simple as that. There should be solutions for housing, but this isn't it. I'm sure the people with good rng will love it though.

[DeNada]

Emphasise being "some". All of us, on the other hand, now only have one shot. Which is objectively worse than a free-for-all system where we can bounce around to runner up plots. I'll move my edited response to Missbone below:



With new wards, you weren't waiting 24hs. They were instantly purchase-able the moments servers went live. This isn't about thinking I or anyone else is better but pointing out the folly of how a lottery system with only one ticket has actually reduced all of our likelihood at getting a house. Maybe you can't log in as fast I could but if 2,000 houses release, you just need to be ahead of that queue to have just as equal a chance. Maybe your preferred plot isn't up anymore since you logged in at 1,100 but look over there, another plot is free and nobody is near it. Your runner up plot is yours now.

With the new lottery system, what I just described isn't possible. Instead, you put in your one ticket, cross your fingers and should you lose... wait for years just for the "privilege" of repeating the process all over again.

Edit: Just to put things into perspective. If 200 people all apply for your desired house. Your odds of winning are 0.5% Going further, if you were to compete in 100 lottery attempts your odds of finally getting a plot would still only be 39%. It takes 100 attempts to not even have half the probable odds to actually succeed at winning a house. That's how ridiculously improbable this system is.

Even if just 50 people apply to the small you want. That's 2%.

For reference sake all these odds are worse than EX mount farms, Savage PF loot drops and even the minion from Dead Seas that everyone complains doesn't exist all have better odds of you winning than of you getting a house with just 50 people competing.

Sure if you target a highly coveted plot, your odds will become worse which is understandable. Even now, a medium or large plot on an existing world can easily attract 50 or more players camping it due to their scarcity and desirability.

However, if you just want a house, I doubt you will be competing against more than 10 or even 5 players at most in a lottery.

Let's say there are 20,000 active players in an average world and 6,000 players already have a house in the existing wards. That leave 14,000 active players entering a lottery of 1,440 Ishgard plots, which is an average of 10 players to 1 plot.

If we take into account that some of these players will be competing for highly desired plots, this brings down the average even lower for a player just looking for any house.

I'm pretty sure if you are willing to scout around, you maybe find a plot which has 2-3 or even 0 players trying for. Hardly the hundreds of ppl to per plot odds which has been bandied around to scare people off.

Just for perspective, an average of 50 players per lottery plot equal 50,000 active players on a world looking for houses, am average of 100 players equal 100,000 active players on a world. Recent census have shown that even on the most populous servers like Balmung and Mateus, the number of active players still fall below 30,000 players.

[Greyhawk]

Neither the FCFS nor the Lottery is good for housing. Period. Taking away the ability to relocate was just a dumb idea. There was literally no harm in that because it opened up a lot at the same time one was taken.

Instead, fix the PROBLEM, don't add to it, SE. Housing should not be an elitist economy - you can't do anything with it once you obtain it. There's no trading, no buying/selling (legit in the game, not talking about these selling tools) - nothing. The housing system is a 19th Century way of thinking (not literally, for the SJWs, I'm making a point) and instance housing needs to be implemented. You've had YEARS to address this, and you didn't take advantage of it. It was thrown on a back burner to rot into this decrepit system you have now.

The continued bad decisions are what we keep paying for, and it's frankly been enough of that. You have great ideas for the game, but housing in general is an honest to God disaster.

And yes, I own a medium house in game.

[Faafetai]

I support the lottery system so far, but unsure how I will feel about it being the rng streak system being what it is where you will lose 20 times than win 20 times to a predictable amount such as crafting or gathering odds. 99% to gather something 9/10 times gather nothing a few moments later 99% get super lucky natures bounty 10/10 rough explanation but maybe my luck is predictably bad and good I am unsure. I really do not think expecting players to spam click on a placard to get a house is a good thing. If people wish to play final fantasy cookie clicker than sell an app for it and be done with it. It is disheartening to watch your partner click on a placard for an fc house when 6 hours in someone just relocates tells you where they moved from with a middle finger and now you have to start all over. It is a bad system. Lottery is the only other option given and I would rather that than what we have.

I have seen the discords of people selling houses, and seen level 5 characters in fc's with purchasing permissions all there busy with their bots running. Watching the person with 20 alts at level 5 all clicking the same placard without even getting to the level required to purchase land in the first place. It is a bad system and I hope they just change it to literally anything other than what we have.

Maybe it will just seen as complaining but clicking on a placard is not what I am playing this game for. I wish to see the features having an fc house will open up, but not at the cost of my sanity.

[IDontPetLalas]

Lottery system sucks. Simple as that. There should be solutions for housing, but this isn't it. I'm sure the people with good rng will love it though.

The lottery system isn't the ideal system, but it doesn't 'suck', and it is better than the current system, and in my opinion it's better than FCFS. not everyone gets a house in ANY of these solutions, personally i consider the lottery to be the fairest to most people.

Sure if you target a highly coveted plot, your odds will become worse which is understandable. Even now, a medium or large plot on an existing world can easily attract 50 or more players camping it due to their scarcity and desirability.

However, if you just want a house, I doubt you will be competing against more than 10 or even 5 players at most in a lottery.

Let's say there are 20,000 active players in an average world and 6,000 players already have a house in the existing wards. That leave 14,000 active players entering a lottery of 1,440 Ishgard plots, which is an average of 10 players to 1 plot.

If we take into account that some of these players will be competing for highly desired plots, this brings down the average even lower for a player just looking for any house.

I'm pretty sure if you are willing to scout around, you maybe find a plot which has 2-3 or even 0 players trying for. Hardly the hundreds of ppl to per plot odds which has been bandied around to scare people off.

Just for perspective, an average of 50 players per lottery plot equal 50,000 active players on a world looking for houses, am average of 100 players equal 100,000 active players on a world. Recent census have shown that even on the most populous servers like Balmung and Mateus, the number of active players still fall below 30,000 players.

thank you for going through the work of posting what look to be realistic numbers. Maybe some people will disagree, that's fine, however this is essentially why i am fine with the lottery system- it is not perfect, however theer is a realistic chance of getting a house in the relative short term, unlike what we have today.

[Bsrking5]

Emphasise being "some". All of us, on the other hand, now only have one shot. Which is objectively worse than a free-for-all system where we can bounce around to runner up plots.

You'd rather some people have no chance just so you can fight with bots which could be potentially even lower chance then lottery. Yea SE doesn't agree with you on how it should be.
Also in pretty sure that they said somewhere they aren't releasing all the plots at one time so back to square one with 5000+ people competing for 200 plots