Ishgard Housing No Lottery For Wards

[TwistedTea]

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

This is false. Lodestone data shows that across data centers 70% of the houses are owned as personals. Out of the 30% of the houses which are owned by FCs, less than 1% of those are owned by FCs of fewer than 4 members:
https://www.xivhousing.com/monthly-statistics

I do agree that workshop access should not be tied to housing.

[Yodada]

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

And still have we 70% Personal Houses and only 30% FC Houses. Yeah those bad Solo-FCs. /s

[Avidria]

So... Do I need to join the lottery to relocate? Because I was hoping to try to relocate to a large in Ishgard. And I don't like my odds playing the lottery x.x

[Jojoya]

If supply was roughly equal to demand, first come first serve would make sense.

Since demand is significantly higher than supply, the lottery is needed to add some measure of fairness to purchases in a badly designed ward system that will never be anything but unfair.

The purchase system needs to be consistent across the board, not weighted to favor certain players who are able to partake in multiple types of purchase systems.

If SE wants to use both FCFS and lottery then players should be forced to choose which purchase system they will use and forfeit their ability to participate in the other. Otherwise the advantage goes to those players who get to "double dip" by being in the lottery at at the same time they're placard camping.

probably unpopular opinion here but wouldn't it be fairer for the people who built up the firmament and got their titles/went under the top 100 to have the first come first serve option?

i mean, hundreds of people were working for hours (and i mean 8h+ for some) but now everyone and their mother can buy a house via lottery, seems very unfair to me bc there are the players who did nothing and only came to grab the fêtes.
on my server these fête only players even shouted about how they'll buy a house and made fun of the hard workers...

No. The Firmament wasn't about getting an advantage in housing. It was about having an end game for crafting/gathering along with a new leveling option.

Players shouldn't be locked out of new and future content because they weren't able to play at a specific period in time in the past. That would be horrible game design.

They did this before, the entire plague of solo fc's came and snatched them all, there are entire WARDS which have fallen to the "FC first rule" ... it doesnt help. As much as i want every FC to have a house, SE could adress this by giving all access to a workshop one way or another ... its not like we know the ironworks /s

Till then solo fc's will plague the field everytime we say "fc first"

This has never happened. The solo FCs wouldn't start filling up the wards until weeks after release, not on release.

The last time we had a personal purchase moratorium on new ward release (5.1), most worlds (a few highly populated worlds like Balmung being an exception) still had several smalls left when the moratorium was lifted. I know because I did a quick census a couple of days before using my various data center alts. The ward addition with a personal purchse moratorium prior to that (4.2) saw most worlds with dozens if not hundreds of vacant plots months later (though that certainly wouldn't have happened if the game population at that time was close to what it's been the last 2 years).

The 5.3 ward addition sold out within an hour because there was no personal purchase moratorium.

FC demand for houses is less than players seeking a personal house fear. There's no problem with SE weighting availability slightly toward FCs on release. It means players seeking a personal house may have a longer wait but FCs need to have the priority because there is FC specific content gated by house ownership.

That said, SE needs to stamp out all those shell FCs that solo players run for workshop access and other housing related reasons. The small changes coming in 6.1 at best slows down the practice. It won't stop it and every player who's allowed to have multiple houses (even if each is on a different world) means there are other players unable to obtain a house at all.

So... Do I need to join the lottery to relocate? Because I was hoping to try to relocate to a large in Ishgard. And I don't like my odds playing the lottery x.x

Relocation now follows the same rules as new purchase whether it's lottery or FCFS. There's no more bypassing purchase timers to get first shot.

[Viedyn]

I answered a question that was already answered. WOMP WOMP.

So I'll just note for the people who suggested creating a bunch of alts for extra entries - A fresh alt cannot actually walk into Ishgard and buy a house. You must meet several in-game requirements to access the Empyreum. IF you were to create a bunch of alts AND fulfill all of the requirements on every alt AND won the house on one of those alts, the house would be bound to that alt with absolutely no way to transfer to your main. The "Instant transfer" system was removed in Endwalker so you wouldn't be able to take advantage of that any longer. It's not practical if your goal is to have a house on your main character. But....I guess if you wanted to make your winning alt your new main then...maybe? It just seems like a huge waste of time for very little if any reward.

[MarniDawg]

I also would prefer some of the wards be left as first come first serve. A friend and I have a home and would very much like to relocate to shirogane. Our chances of being next to each other are way better if we can be somewhat in charge of our own luck as opposed to rng deciding for us.

I personally think half of the wards is too many but please leave a few for people in all the areas for people who like the older system.

[Shironeko_Narunyan]

You do not know just how bad this is going to be for you. You say that going against a Bot is bad. It's really not. I spend 3 days, 8 hours a day, clicking on the placard with my controller and won my house after moving over from Excalibur.

This is so hilarious, I felt I needed to quote it to make sure it lives on, even if the original posting goes poof.

[DeNada]

This is so hilarious, I felt I needed to quote it to make sure it lives on, even if the original posting goes poof.

I mean, he only spent 3 days of 8 hours non stop camping! What's so tough about that, it's so easy!

That should be the bare minimum one should do if a player wants a house real bad, sure beats just dropping your name in the lottery plot and not having waste your time and energy spamming a placard in the hopes of getting a house against the many bots clickers out there. [/Sarcasm]

[Eraden]

I would like to point out one other aspect of the proposed lottery system that, in my opinion, makes it THE most fair system to be implemented. With regards to FCs, yes all the members of an FC can place bids on a single property. Larger FCs can therefore place more bids on a single property than smaller FCs or individual players. HOWEVER, from what I understand of the proposed system, each person belonging to that large FC, who places their bid on that property, effectively ties up their right to make any further bids on any other properties. This takes them out of the marketplace until that property has been awarded to someone. So yes, Let FCs go buck wild on trying to ensure that they get their dream house. It just means less competition for other players for other properties until that property has been awarded.

[Reinha]

I mean, he only spent 3 days of 8 hours non stop camping! What's so tough about that, it's so easy!

That should be the bare minimum one should do if a player wants a house real bad, sure beats just dropping your name in the lottery plot and not having waste your time and energy spamming a placard in the hopes of getting a house against the many bots clickers out there. [/Sarcasm]

He got a house, didn't he? Did you win the most recent raffle you participated in? You get two chances in the housing patch. Once for Ishgard, then once for the houses the relocated house owners left behind. I've been saying for years this is a bad idea but it's coming so I hope people will enjoy never getting a house.