Yoshi-P: "If you want more engaging content, go play Ultimate"

[AnotherPerson]

I don't blame them. The last 1 or 2 years of WoW, they shifted heavily toward a more hardcore audience and have suffered drastically for it (and for other reasons.) Their next patch is shifting (albeit only slightly) back towards the casual end of things.

Except the original question by Recon1o6 in the endwalker questions wasn't just about the healing difficulty but the monotonous spam of Dosis / Broil / Glare / Malefic. In actuality, doing challenging content like Ultimates and Higher end raids like Savage doesn't solve this problem at all. It makes it worse because healer DPS starts becoming essential and mandatory to beat Enrage. The actual question of 'can you do something about making me press the same one offense-oriented DPS button over 100+ times in an encounter' was never answered.

Shifting content to be easier is fine. However, the higher you go, the more healing tools you get. The more healing tools OTHER jobs get. You actually heal less the better you get accustomed to a fight - even in normal modes. Gear makes it so you heal MORE per skill, but it also makes it so so you have to use LESS healing skills to get the same effect, and spend more time on DPS as a result. There's just so many ways a healer is largely discouraged from healing that they start feeling more and more like a DPS... but instead of pressing buttons, they're playing 'how many times can I press 1-1-1-1-1-1' simulator.

If you can tell a tank to lose their entire DPS rotation because all they need is one button to establish aggro for every expansion and 50+ mitigations instead to do their job. Most will cry foul immediately. It really is just that simple. How is that acceptable for one role and not the other when both roles require situational awareness and have their own things outside of just DPSing?

The real problem is that the devs can give more DPS skills to the tanks, but they can't do that for healers? When it was the tanks who got more healing tools for the party in addition to extra DPS tools? When the DPS also get a bit of mitigation tools? They're suddenly juggling more responsibility ... but healers suddenly have to be either a complete beginner or an Ultimate player?

Where do people who know how to use their toolkit stand then? The ones who are average at the game, want a bit of safety net, and GCD heal a couple of times, but still have more than 10+ seconds to DPS immediately after?

Not even including the fact that higher level content generally requires a party and has a smaller pool of players - which means it's not always accessible for your specific time period, the more difficult content is still the same 1-1-1-1-1.

[Deceptus]

I mean.. if fates, dungeons, alliance raids, extremes, savages, hunting, pvp and ??? feel boring to you, maybe you are, in fact, on that level as healer where you are more than ready for ultimate?? Just a thought.

I didn't say that, he inferred it.

HE thinks that if you want engagement you should be playing ultimate content, therefore anything other than that doesn't provide engagement.

[Maxilor]

Another day, another healer getting the middle finger.

What else is new around here?

[QooEr]

as if ultimates were really any different.


check a log–any log– from ANY ultimate. even gray logs have each healer casting their dps spell like 140 times at the very least.


the only ultimate that really kind of tests healers is TEA, and thats only for the first 5 minutes of the fight. the other two ultimates are potency and gear crept to hell and back and dont present much challenge anymore. what then? wait for dragonsong ultimate?

[XmissionsX]

It def felt to me as a odd statement, and the wording rubbed me the wrong way. Personally the gap between normal content which seems to get easier and the extreme savage ultimate content widens, I would love challenging content that’s just accessible and manageable by duty finder, without a static or the requirement to study the fight on YouTube to be fully prepared.

I can’t even remember ever getting stuck on normal/hard content every party I joined with duty finder just plowed thru it extremely fast, and on numerous occasions after a wipe the tank just did the end bos solo.

Ew was my first expansion and I expected the groups I would join to struggle and to talk strategy, but to me a big disappointment was that every group i joined just plowed extremely fast through the content, no tactics needed and on 3 occasions I saw the MT just solo the end boss after we accidentally died, that doesn’t seem right.

[Floortank]

Healer in normal content is too hard for the vast majority of players, and they don't want the rest of the customers to be handcuffed to people who are like an anchor tossed from a ship.

[Fhaerron]

as if ultimates were really any different.

check a log–any log– from ANY ultimate. even gray logs have each healer casting their dps spell like 140 times at the very least.

the only ultimate that really kind of tests healers is TEA, and thats only for the first 5 minutes of the fight. the other two ultimates are potency and gear crept to hell and back and dont present much challenge anymore. what then? wait for dragonsong ultimate?

Yes and just like with Savage or EX for that reason, after you've done it multiple times it becomes auto pilot and you'll have the same issue once again. Not to mention they just cut an entire ultimate and heavily delayed it (No stop using covid as an excuse for everything).

This is just pure arrogance in my opinion.

Now I wait for all the whiteknights coming with pitchforks and trow me on the bonfire.

[Fourbestintoner]

Shame healing is still easy and boring in the ultimates then, beside like ll and garuda at launch, but now you're just sleeping.
Just give me procs like bards, anything than 1.5 dps button.

[Tharnor]

Healer in normal content is too hard for the vast majority of players, and they don't want the rest of the customers to be handcuffed to people who are like an anchor tossed from a ship.

More Class engagement does not have to be new damaging buttons. Properly using our heals to give bonuses to our personal or group damage. An example of this could be a damage up on heals like lustrate, with the buff being better based on how low you over-heal. Or a stacking bonus for every time WHM uses the Blood Lily.

[iheartlove42]

If you find all the content boring except Ultimates then why are you playing the game? If you think it is boring because it's not tryhard enough then quit. It's a Final Fantasy game not a FromSoftware game. Final Fantasy has never been a difficult game series or about difficulty.