Healer Q&A in PLL LXVIII

[Aluja89]

it doesn't need to be damage options even, just a [Thing To Do]. buffs, debuffs, resource management, field management--literally anything would be fine, as long as it's appropriately engaging from moment to moment during downtime.

also "your fault for failing to be succinct" on the single most liked/'repeated' question for the EN and JP question trheads, which presumably were people who read and got the question's intent is a rancid take, man.

I'm just saying it as I see/hear it, I'm not the one who cut the question to so little.

You just have to be straight to the point, no fluff in between.

The basic question was succinct.

The follow-up information reinforced the basic question by providing specific examples.

I know, it gives them opportunity to misconstrue whether it's intentional or not doesn't matter. It's just going to be muddied.

[IDontPetLalas]

that aside, my personal take: isn't it wonderful how a bit of shorthand to save time in the LL can lead to so complete a misunderstanding of the question's intent, and to such a dismissive answer in reply?

'just go play ultimates if you want healing to be engaging' is real galling.

Well said. when I listened to to his response, it came across as someone who had made up his mind, had taken a specific design decision, and really wasn't open to change. Which may not be true- but this is how it was communicated.

The icing on the cake was the "go play ultimates if you want healing to be challenging" - Well, that's really not acceptable. i can only assume from that it's because he has either closed his mind (very bad) or he is frustrated ande is fed up listening to healers. in either case, he needs to hire a dedicated healer designer.

[MintnHoney]

Honestly, your fault for failing to be succinct.

I would agree, but, iirc, the last time they answered a question related to healing, the question itself was rather direct and simple. The answer, at the time, was to "wait and see how things go, tell us about it if it's still an issue and we'll consider how to address the issue."
So, really, the take-away is that they want healers to wait, wait, and wait some more, and then they'll consider how to address it (e.g.: by way of telling you that they'll fix it next expansion, so be patient and look forward to it), but they don't really want to do anything with the role right now.

[PaulH]

Thanks for linking and I heard it for myself I am now going to main Red Mage I maybe a casual but I do not want to hate my Scholar I played ARR Beta to EW.
I feel quite sad this is where I am at.
I will still keep playing to keep my hand in but not just don't find any joy in healer roles full time for myself and will have fun with a dps instead.

[Silver-Strider]

Thanks for linking and I heard it for myself I am now going to main Red Mage I maybe a casual but I do not want to hate my Scholar I played ARR Beta to EW.
I feel quite sad this is where I am at.
I will still keep playing to keep my hand in but not just don't find any joy in healer roles full time for myself and will have fun with a dps instead.

I wonder how long before people just prog Savage content without healers at all? Sure, there might be a roadblock like P3S on occasion that might require 1 healer to be dragged in but for the overwhelming majority of it, it feels completely possible to clear with just Tanks and DPS.

[EaMett]

I wonder how long before people just prog Savage content without healers at all? Sure, there might be a roadblock like P3S on occasion that might require 1 healer to be dragged in but for the overwhelming majority of it, it feels completely possible to clear with just Tanks and DPS.

We've already had double shield healers this tier. I honestly think that solo healing is a viable option. A solo AST + DPS is going to be pretty damn strong. Tier 1 is always a little tuned down so we'll see what the next tier has in store, but at this point it feels like taking 2 healers is really just a comfort option (or mechanics requirement). If more groups pushed for it and healers geared for it, I'm pretty sure we'd see a lot more solo heal groups to the point of it becoming meta.

[Aluja89]

I would agree, but, iirc, the last time they answered a question related to healing, the question itself was rather direct and simple. The answer, at the time, was to "wait and see how things go, tell us about it if it's still an issue and we'll consider how to address the issue."
So, really, the take-away is that they want healers to wait, wait, and wait some more, and then they'll consider how to address it (e.g.: by way of telling you that they'll fix it next expansion, so be patient and look forward to it), but they don't really want to do anything with the role right now.

That's because everyone is far too polite when in actuality you should be complaining not asking a question. Have a collection of dismissive complaints see how fast their tune changes.

Honestly though, I couldn't play a healer through MSQ and I consider myself a patient person, so anyone who can tolerate a combat job that presses a single button for at least the length of 5 standalone games must be a saint and patience of that caliber is easy to brush off as Yoshida has been doing for years.

See where I'm going with this? Even in this thread people are against me when I'm trying to help and that behavior is just going to make you wait a whole lot longer. How do you think we got male Vieras? Incessant whining EVERYWHERE. I mean, how do you think we got ARR? People weren't polite when 1.0 launched, it was ass and everyone let them know it was ass.

You're dealing with a company, being polite almost never works.

[Rika007]

The only real way they will ever see that the playstyle of healers have to be addressed is by upper level healers just flat out giving up and not playing. Let's face it, the casual player base that goes through MSQ will never drive the change on this, they will keep hopping on white mage and spamming cure and medica through content and then stop playing after a few weeks, all to repeat it a few months down the line.

It's the midcore to hardcore group that has the primary issue with healer design, and they need to vote with their job choices. Stop healing. Stop choosing to play a role you hate and feel you are getting ignored on. Stop enabling the dev teams bad decisions. Make it so every static, every party finder mount farm, every weekly clear is waiting for healers. Hell imagine the blowback if ultimate dropped in 6.1 and the world first race got ruined by multiple statics having to panic search for healers.

That's the only way you get change. Forcing it to be looked at.

[RinaShinomiya]

But hey at least they confirmed they are working on WHM and DRK changes, living dead specifically. It's something!

insert Copingway here

[Silver-Strider]

But hey at least they confirmed they are working on WHM and DRK changes, living dead specifically. It's something!

insert Copingway here

There is not enough copium to give me hope.
I expect them to maybe, MAYBE, bump Assize's MP from 5% to 8% and that would be it. If anything else happens, I will be shocked.

DRK might far a little better, since its a Tank and doesn't suffer from willful ignorance of the role to the extent healers suffer so maybe, Oblation will get a CD reduction to 30s and maybe a buff to 15% mitigation, which wouldn't solve the squishy DRK problem but would be a start at least.