Summoner rework is a huge dissapointment

[MrJPtheAssassin]

Ah yes. Me liking jobs that don't play like a mathematical equation is the reason why they randomly decided to nerf Thin Air on White Mage (spoiler alert everyone hated that) and why all jobs are becoming more streamlined and less obnoxious in their ability design. I am probably also the reason why Enochian was deleted and made into a trait! Please. Maybe if they had done this rework in *checks notes* Heavensward instead of Endwalker, perhaps Summoner would have more in its kit.

Sadly the past 8 years of wasted time caught up to them, so this is what we have so far. If you do not like it then simply do not play it, and move to other jobs like I had to do when Summoner was in its previous state. Red Mage and Black Mage are still great fun, though Summoner just feels better to me. More will be added and they probably already jotted down the note to add in X abilities whenever they have the time to do so. All this "venting" is just repeating the same things over and over again.

Again, classes change in mmos. You will not like each change they do, and you are not entitled to priority development status because you are unhappy with it in a given patch.

You settle for whatever the devs give you and downplay others' complaints about the job. That is what I mean about ppl like you are the reason some jobs feel the way they do now. You are free to enjoy whatever you want, I'm not stopping you but the moment you tell ppl to move on even tho they don't like something is now good for the game. Funny you talk about streamlining when most jobs still hold on to their complexity and decision-making in savage. Smn doesn't have that and that is the problem! What decision do you make on smn? The order of the primal summons isn't enough and in the end, doesn't even really matter since they are not your burst window.

I love the fact I have to disjoint baha from my SL and other buffs in p2s, it's my fav!! /s I rather them give us meaningful decisions in a fight other than what color lego I should use next...

[aveyond-dreams]

Given how many jobs are in this game I choose to not spend my time moaning about the ones I don't like nonstop. I *move on* and do more enjoyable things. The lack of players in those jobs will speak for itself. The increased presence in jobs that are doing well also speaks as to what works and what isn't working. I will continue playing with my legos, thank you very much. It definitely feels like choosing which Summon to call up next is a better decision to make as opposed to the same old stuff with Red and Black Mage, in my opinion anyway.

Can't wait for them to release the other colors when they get around to it. Worst case scenario if I don't like the changes is I move on to Red Mage or Dancer for high end content. I suppose its fundamentally down to whether you prefer playing a game or playing a numbers spreadsheet, I'm not concerned with the occasional design hiccup so long as the overall picture looks great. No one likes the way Searing Light works right now, whether or not they fix it isn't the hugest deal in the world to me. Most jobs in this game aren't complex to begin with, and I don't view Summoner as an outlier when it comes to others.

[tearagion]

We get it; you don't REALLY give a shit about summoner you just enjoy looking at decade-old boss models and particle effects, and are for some reason afraid of summoner being updated and having to put any thought into playing the job. Unfortunately some people do care about the health of the job, which is dismal, sorry.

[Exodus-E]

Speaking of SMN, no mention of it (specifically) during this recent LL.
That said, they did assure us that they were listening to feedback and would be adjusting various jobs come Patch 6.1.
Guess we'll know more in the next LL (this March).

On a side note, I'm disappointed that there were no questions/answers about the (current) state of Egi glamours.
Here's hoping we'll hear something about them during Endwalker's cycle (i.e. before 7.0's release)...

[Rolder50]

Speaking of SMN, no mention of it (specifically) during this recent LL.
That said, they did assure us that they were listening to feedback and would be adjusting various jobs come Patch 6.1.
Guess we'll know more in the next LL (this March).

On a side note, I'm disappointed that there were no questions/answers about the (current) state of Egi glamours.
Here's hoping we'll hear something about them during Endwalker's cycle (i.e. before 7.0's release)...

I'm expecting a whole boatload of absolutely nothing. Just like healers.

[VentVanitas]

Given how many jobs are in this game I choose to not spend my time moaning about the ones I don't like nonstop. I *move on* and do more enjoyable things.

Quote from person who incessantly whined about SMN prior to EW

[MellowMink]

Given how many jobs are in this game I choose to not spend my time moaning about the ones I don't like nonstop.

To be fair to some of your repliers, you have repeatedly done that with Blue Mage pretty often on this DPS forum when threads about it or “limited jobs” arise, even though lots of people like that job’s current role flexibility.

While I personally prefer the newer Summoner design to the older job design, others sharing disappointment or suggestions is perfectly fine as well, especially if the developers are actively looking for feedback. That said, it’s still worth noting that people on the forums compose of a vocal minority of total players; I don’t know the exact specifics of how they gather and combine data from a large number of different resources.

[XmissionsX]

Quote from person who incessantly whined about SMN prior to EW

Just ignore the person, I do, it’s just the same message repeated but worded a bit different. It’s distracting and that person adds nothing to this discussion.

[aveyond-dreams]

I wasn’t nearly as vocal of my utter disdain for old SMN as some here think. After trying out and being completely exhausted by the Shadowbringers changes I decided that it was the last time I would ever try my luck with the worst Summoner in the history of Final Fantasy and left without a word-that’s how much of a disaster it was.

Also Blue Mage is a meme at this point, they d didn’t even have any concrete plans for it as of yesterday’s live letter! They know better than to waste any new resources on limited jobs, thank goodness. It was a horrible decision to reduce a series classic to a time-limited mini-game, and now that there’s more important things to take care of, Blue Mage has fallen into obscurity. I could not be happier! That’s one more terrible system from the late 2018-early 2019 era of troubles this game experienced being done away with and forgotten at last.

So I think I’ll continue calling out ideas I do not like. I think the people wanting to needlessly complicate the present design with straight up busywork are wrong, and I think people who want to bring back stuff from old SMN are completely out of touch. I’m not particularly sympathetic to either party, and no amount of appeals to emotion or the preferred tactic of these crowds-hot takes and gatcha moments, will ever be able to convince me of otherwise. I do want to see new stuff added, like the missing summons and more along those lines. I think most of the ideas espoused in these threads are bad, apart from the absolute necessity to move elemental mastery traits to earlier levels.

If you’re so bored with current Summoner, there’s a new ultimate coming out where you can “challenge!” yourselves to your hearts’ content. If you’ve been around as long as I have you know that major additions seldom happen during patch cycles, and nonstop posting about it physically does not translate into = faster work. It’s nonsensical. Some people here should consider themselves lucky to have enjoyed old SMN for the past 8 years-some of us couldn’t stand the job for more than a few weeks! How’s that for lucky. Time to get real, and develop a basic understanding for the workflow of job additions.

[MrJPtheAssassin]

If you’re so bored with current Summoner, there’s a new ultimate coming out where you can “challenge!” yourselves to your hearts’ content. If you’ve been around as long as I have you know that major additions seldom happen during patch cycles, and nonstop posting about it physically does not translate into = faster work. It’s nonsensical. Some people here should consider themselves lucky to have enjoyed old SMN for the past 8 years-some of us couldn’t stand the job for more than a few weeks! How’s that for lucky. Time to get real, and develop a basic understanding for the workflow of job additions.

Yeah, I'm completely looking forward to the new ultimate because that will by far show how flawed and incompete the current smn is(if they don't address it before 6.11). Ultimates usually require a job to be somewhat flexible and adjust their rotations around. Current smn cant does that without hurting its own dps, so let's see how current smn works in a ultimate fight. Tho you have been very clear you don't care, you said yourself you only do savage for glam and for the mount so tbh I don't think very highly of your options on high-end content and smn state in that. So continue to play with your legos in EXs and normal content. I am so done with you, you are a closed-minded troll who only cares about your own enjoyment and not the health of the job in all types of content. You offer nothing to a discussion and are only here to tell ppl who are unhappy their wrong to feel unhappy. You even went so far in one post basically saying you want to silence ppl comments by saying "It's long past the time to move on from this topic" After this post, I WILL adding you to my ignore list so I don't have to see your bad takes again.