Can we not shame people who don't like the MSQ?

[Alacran]

This is the exact kind of response I'm talking about BTW.

Rofl "bully", "karma sowed", "launched at the very same fan base".

First of all, saying the story is boring isn't an attack on the fan base of FF14!

Second of all lmao if saying the story is boring is "bullying"

BTW, just so that people don't jump to conclusions, I've watched every single cutscene in the story and even did every story sidequest in all the zones (except ARR) for the lore. Yet somehow I'm able to not interpret every slight against the story as a personal insult or someone bullying me.

& you're still paying to play?

[Equitable_Remedy]

cult-like fanaticism

fanatics

I don't care what people say

Yes, please tell me more about everyone else being toxic.

[Azuri]

I mean, you really don't have to go far to find proof. Here is a full thread of people from these very forums telling a guy "to go back to WoW" and "your friends aren't actually your friends" for daring to express opinion that maybe locking everything behind more or less 100 hours of "mildly interactive movie" isn't the onboarding experience an MMO should strive for. I personally would never invite a friend to play XIV with me. I'd be condemning them to hours of solo questing until we actually get to do something we both care about. That's really not a great "hey, come play that cool MMO with me!" pitch.

[Ironthorne]

I mean, you really don't have to go far to find proof. Here is a full thread of people from these very forums telling a guy "to go back to WoW" and "your friends aren't actually your friends" for daring to express opinion that maybe locking everything behind more or less 100 hours of "mildly interactive movie" isn't the onboarding experience an MMO should strive for. I personally would never invite a friend to play XIV with me. I'd be condemning them to hours of solo questing until we actually get to do something we both care about. That's really not a great "hey, come play that cool MMO with me!" pitch.

I skimmed through 13 pages, and all the replies are along these lines:
- "If you don't enjoy the story, then this game may not be for you"
- "You can buy the story skip, but it may not be the best idea"
- "Why aren't your friends playing with you?"

Please be specific and tell me where the "full thread of people" telling the OP to back to wow part is, because my blurry eyes can't find it.

[Alacran]

This is the exact kind of response I'm talking about BTW.

Rofl "bully", "karma sowed", "launched at the very same fan base".

First of all, saying the story is boring isn't an attack on the fan base of FF14!

Second of all lmao if saying the story is boring is "bullying"

BTW, just so that people don't jump to conclusions, I've watched every single cutscene in the story and even did every story sidequest in all the zones (except ARR) for the lore. Yet somehow I'm able to not interpret every slight against the story as a personal insult or someone bullying me.

Natsuko Ishikawa a Japanese writer working for Square Enix. Originally brought on as additional staff for the writing team of the relaunched Final Fantasy XIV, she has been co-lead writer for the game since its Stormblood expansion, becoming the main lead in Shadowbringers.

She received a standing ovation for her continued work in FFXIV & is beloved by the fan base & is the recipient of many accolades to include garnering awards for FFXIV being one of the most celebrated MMORPG's directly due to the writing of it's MSQ.


Masayoshi Soken video game composer and sound editor who has worked for Square Enix since 2001. Soken is best known for being the lead composer and sound director of Final Fantasy XIV and its expansions.

Actively wrote the game music for FFXIV from his hospital bed when diagnosed with cancer, has gone on to receive multitudes of awards & acclaim for much of his work.

Naoki Yoshida, also known as Yoshi P, he's kind of a big deal not only in FF circles but also a Titan in the industry for pulling off the once believed impossible. I wont bother listing it all but there are not one but two documentaries covering his work & he gives seminars on leadership & game design among other things.

Here's the thing, you want to be nice & safe, criticizing the work of others without having it done in return.


Not the way it works, ever.

As i stated before you may share your opinion but expect the same rebuttals when you do.

The sudden explosion in popularity of this game showed what long times fans already knew, the dev team, everyone involved poured a great deal of work in to it, then it's a good thing you expected my response, i'll be happy to keep giving it.

I can take the criticism & welcome the discussion.

[Skiros]

Natsuko Ishikawa a Japanese writer working for Square Enix. Originally brought on as additional staff for the writing team of the relaunched Final Fantasy XIV, she has been co-lead writer for the game since its Stormblood expansion, becoming the main lead in Shadowbringers.

She received a standing ovation for her continued work in FFXIV & is beloved by the fan base & is the recipient of many accolades to include garnering awards for FFXIV being one of the most celebrated MMORPG's directly due to the writing of it's MSQ.


Masayoshi Soken video game composer and sound editor who has worked for Square Enix since 2001. Soken is best known for being the lead composer and sound director of Final Fantasy XIV and its expansions.

Actively wrote the game music for FFXIV from his hospital bed when diagnosed with cancer, has gone on to receive multitudes of awards & acclaim for much of his work.

Naoki Yoshida, also known as Yoshi P, he's kind of a big deal not only in FF circles but also a Titan in the industry for pulling off the once believed impossible. I wont bother listing it all but there are not one but two documentaries covering his work & he gives seminars on leadership & game design among other things.

Here's the thing, you want to be nice & safe, criticizing the work of others without having it done in return.


Not the way it works, ever.

As i stated before you may share your opinion but expect the same rebuttals when you do.

The sudden explosion in popularity of this game showed what long times fans already knew, the dev team, everyone involved poured a great deal of work in to it, then it's a good thing you expected my response, i'll be happy to keep giving it.

I can take the criticism & welcome the discussion.

My god this is just cult worship territory now

[Theodric]

Honestly? Elements of this game's community can be pretty unsettling at times. I've experienced all sorts of weird and bizarre insults, accusations and threats over the years in response to criticising elements of the game's story or for liking and disliking the 'wrong' characters.

The same often happens to anyone who expresses a desire to maintain a normal customer and service provider relationship with the game and its developers.

[Alacran]

My god this is just cult worship territory now

Those are facts, you can look any & all of it up.

[Krotoan]

I personally would never invite a friend to play XIV with me. I'd be condemning them to hours of solo questing until we actually get to do something we both care about. That's really not a great "hey, come play that cool MMO with me!" pitch.

Because all you care about is the most recent content and only consider that worth playing. If the only content you WANT to engage in in FFXIV is the end you're going to have a sparse experience and a hell of a runup.

I recently (within the past year) introduced someone to the game, walked beside them and quested the MSQ WITH them as much as I could while also keeping them outfitted in relevant gear and talking them through MSQ parts they found too boring to engage in with summaries while also running daily roulettes and random DFs with them to keep their progression quick. Yes it took nearly a month for them to get to "endgame" and be able to run roulettes for tomes and the raids for other items.. but it was far from a "hey play this... lemme know when you get to what I like to do" experience. We also sidetracked sometimes with fishing, or deep dungeons, or mount/minion farming.

Many people in that thread you referenced are wondering why you'd invite someone to play something and NOT play the game with them when you were able to.

[Misplaced_Marbles]

Naoki Yoshida, also known as Yoshi P, he's kind of a big deal not only in FF circles but also a Titan in the industry for pulling off the once believed impossible. I wont bother listing it all but there are not one but two documentaries covering his work & he gives seminars on leadership & game design among other things.

And all he did was copy WoW and get lucky. His seminars must be about how to turn your playerbase into worshippers.

Then again, he didn't do anything to achieve that either, since people debase themselves willingly. Can't blame him for people acting crazy.