Alliance Raids and players not waiting for Cutscene Watchers

[Kolaina]

*bows to Yukiko-san*

Exactly.

What most here seem to forget is THAT is why Prae and Castrum are unskippable now.

No. By suggesting THAT is why is a complete lie if you are to leave out the fact the cutscenes are in the middle of the duty. Add that with praetorium being able to be completed in less than 10 minutes, causing a CS watcher to miss the entirety of the duty for watching the first couple cutscenes.
Even when those places had skippable cutscenes, the party would just go about their business, often leaving the viewer behind. It was more common to see a garbled mess of directions, trying to help navigate the places for people or a “just take the teleport” than to see anyone have a negative or snarky comment about the viewer.
This “exactly” nonsense when fabricating lies

[VelKallor]

No. By suggesting THAT is why is a complete lie if you are to leave out the fact the cutscenes are in the middle of the duty. Add that with praetorium being able to be completed in less than 10 minutes, causing a CD watcher to miss the entirety of the duty for watching the first couple cutscenes. Even when those places had skippable cutscenes, the party would just go about their business, often leaving the viewer behind. It was more common to see a garbled mess of directions, trying to help navigate the places for people or a “just take the teleport” than to see anyone have a negative or snarky comment about the viewer. This “exactly” nonsense when fabricating lies

Prae and Castrum are unskippable owing to years of players being kicked, abused and left behind when watching cutscenes

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_content=PSR1

Back when you could skip, there were daily posts from newbies complaining about how they were forced to either chose to see the fights or watch cutscenes and miss all the fights. SE really was in a now win position, sadly. The new players were just constantly mentioning how it soured the game for them.

Ill say this again:

The devs and design teams want players to see these cutscenes, INGAME at the time, AND NOT LATER.

FF 14 is a storydriven MMORPG, Prae and Castrum are story dungeons.

Its as simple as that.

[Kolaina]

Prae and Castrum are unskippable owing to years of players being kicked, abused and left behind when watching cutscenes

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...m_content=PSR1



Ill say this again:

The devs and design teams want players to see these cutscenes, INGAME at the time, AND NOT LATER.

FF 14 is a storydriven MMORPG, Prae and Castrum are story dungeons.

Its as simple as that.

Reddit is your source? That’s like giving credit to Wikipedia.

Edit. Also, I’ll repeat this very important point. If it wasn’t for vets just wanting experience, people who have gone through the story, whether they watched it or not, the queues would be empty if not for those players. It’s still a game with the main purpose being to level, get stronger, conquer new challenges. It’s a game. With different goals that speak to different types of players. It’s not a game only in the way you see it. Get it? Got it? Good

[zabu]

Respecting other player is basic thing in MMO, you will interact with player if you play MMO. If you can’t , please find some other single player game to play.
Another solution can be Just make some mechanics that require 24 people to do it, problem solved, this can also solve the issue on current 24 man is way too easy as well. LOL

[VelKallor]

Reddit is your source? That’s like giving credit to Wikipedia.

One source, yes, I have a lot of others, all of whom say the same thing...from 1.0 players through to current.

If it wasn’t for vets just wanting experience, people who have gone through the story, whether they watched it or not, the queues would be empty if not for those players

Arent you forgetting one thing?

Said experience and rewards are commensurate with the time investment of those two instances.

However

https://us.millenium.gg/news/19660.html

So, will Castrum Meridianum and the Praetorium see changes too, whether skippable cutscenes or alternatives?

Yoshi-P: "I do apologise but we will not be reworking these two dungeons just yet. We believe minor fixes to these dungeons are not feasible, and it will be necessary to either completely remake them as four-player dungeons or incorporate the Trust system so that they can be cleared on a solo basis.

Prae and Castrum are two of the biggest xp sources for levelling , both veteran and new players alike. if that changes, I would imagine a lot of people will NOT be happy.

[Kolaina]

Just make some mechanics that require 24 people to do it, problem solved, this can also solve the issue on current 24 man is way to easy

That won’t happen as I do recall yoshi p saying something along the lines of alliance raids being designed in such a way that good players are able to carry bad players through it. He realistically doesn’t expect a team of 24 people to be able to stay alive and handle mechanics properly. Having all 24 alive AND do something properly? With this player base…

[zabu]

That won’t happen as I do recall yoshi p saying something along the lines of alliance raids being designed in such a way that good players are able to carry bad players through it. He realistically doesn’t expect a team of 24 people to be able to stay alive and handle mechanics properly. Having all 24 alive AND do something properly? With this player base…

ya that is the sad part , i know that won’t happen
but everyone should alive at least for 1st minute of the fight ? lol
regarding to good carry bad…. , even extreme and savage can get carry now , so what can i say, too many issue there

[Saraide]

I'll repeat this until you understand.

You don't have to pull

You don't have to pull

You don't have to pull

You don't have to pull

No one is forcing you to pull ahead of the tank. No one is forcing you to pull when someone is in a cutscene. You are making these actions of your own free will. If someone is in a cutscene and you're pulling they are not in the wrong for watching said scene and not helping you until they're done. When you decide to pull while your healer is in a cutscene that is something you did entirely of your own volition whne you could just have well have waited, you don't get to complain, or go cite TOS because they didn't help you when you made the conscious choice to pull without making sure or not caring that your whole party was ready. That's on you. You seem to think you get to dictate the course of a dungeon, and that others should respect you and your time but don't want to return the favor and unironically are moralizing other people like myself over this same issue when it's you that's in need of some perspective.

You keep trying to make justifications I will simply ask who forced you to pull in the first place? No one. Especially when I and most other tanks will 2-group pull and have no need for a dps with a short attention span pulling for me. I will already be doing fast, large pulls so your assistance is not needed.

You don't pay my sub? Cool, you also don't pay my sub. Funny how that works.

Of course a dps doesnt have to pull ahead in a dungeon. But you also dont have to throw a tantrum about it. It really feels strange that you are reacting that hostile to someone who is just trying to help.

The choice that can lead deaths/wipes in dungeons is primarily the one you make, therefore it's only natural that people make you responsible for it.

Since you're so in favor of repeating yourself:

You dont have to throw a tantrum about a dps pulling ahead in a dungeon.

You dont have to throw a tantrum about a dps pulling ahead in a dungeon.

You dont have to throw a tantrum about a dps pulling ahead in a dungeon.

You dont have to throw a tantrum about a dps pulling ahead in a dungeon.

[Harriks]

SE should just make every cutsscene unskippable. Problem solved

[Cheremia]

SE should just make every cutsscene unskippable. Problem solved

I WANT new people to experience cutscenes and fights fully right then and there wen they first do it, but

No.

I dont want everybody to be forced to watch cutscenes at all times.

They COULD just not let people in the boss arena if somebody watches one, but that would basically the same... just a little less worse since you can do a few things during cutscenes running and some banter after rushing through can be nice.
Have a sip, have a bite, change music, chat, making a danceline....
But being in a cutscene does kinda suck, i'd rather not want one every time, let me run around while others watch it.

The wait is not a problem to me but i dont wanna watch the red girl be creepy every time but rather dance instead.
I already hate the... ball... enough as is.
And the empire is a cancer.