What's next for new jobs after Endwalker.

[Tulzscha]

the biggest roadblock in the path for both Puppetmaster and Beastmaster is their perceived dependency on having a pet--something SE has shown they hate working with. This leads both of them to be considered "limited job material"

Hm. How would you define a pet? Is DRK's Living Shadow a pet?

I think the bigger reason for them to be limited jobs is the collectibility aspect - parts for PUP's puppet and various beasts for BST (and all the spells for BLU) which is unnecessary for sure, except maybe for BLU, it's hard to avoid for that one. The fact that PUP could fill all roles also pushes it in that direction but as we see with RDM it doesn't need to do that either.

[ty_taurus]

Hm. How would you define a pet? Is DRK's Living Shadow a pet?

I think the bigger reason for them to be limited jobs is the collectibility aspect - parts for PUP's puppet and various beasts for BST (and all the spells for BLU) which is unnecessary for sure, except maybe for BLU, it's hard to avoid for that one. The fact that PUP could fill all roles also pushes it in that direction but as we see with RDM it doesn't need to do that either.

Well back when Blue Mage was being discussed as a potential job--before we knew about limited jobs, you could very easily have gotten around that aspect by making the spells you learn come from enemies you fought in the job quests. This was during Heavensward where your skilled were gained through your job quests, keep in mind. But we could also just include spells from enemies we fought in dungeons and trials and whatnot. Dragoon took an ability from Nidhogg in Stardiver, and Summoner learns to summon a demi-primal of an optional boss in Phoenix. Rather than go out collecting gimmicky spells, BLU could very easily have just been a structured job like any other who used spell abilities from bosses and enemies past fought without the silliness and repetitiveness. Your versions of the spells could also have differed in their functionality, such as your Bad Breath being a damage mitigation tool, for example, rather than inflicting a bunch of generic conditions most bosses are immune to.