Dark Knights are an absolute joke and I'm tired of pretending they're not

[Acido]

The main issue of DRK are dungeons, and dungeons are a faceroll anyways.
In most Raids and Trials from ARR to EW DRK feels fine to be healed and to mitigate stuff.
But blood weapon doesn't feels right, TBN mana usage is awfull and living dead mechanic makes healer lifes worse.

Idgaf if a healer need to use a gcd or two to heal a drk in a dungeon, but fixing blood weapon and living dead is all i want.

[Brownondorf]

The main issue of DRK are LEVELING dungeons
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DRK are absolutely not an issue in expert roulette dungeons.
Obviously they don't have healing like the other 3 tanks but as long as they use cooldowns, you only have to use maybe a couple oGCDs more to keep them healthy.
When playing Sage, healing a DRK doesn't change anything in my playstyle, i just have to use a few oGCDs more inbetween my Dyskrasia spam. It actually give me a reason to use some of my abilities instead of just getting MPs back

[Colt47]

I mean, DRK is playable right now. Summoner was also playable in Shadowbringers as well. That doesn't mean it's the best gaming experience in FFXIV, but at least the job is playable.

Right now the fun jobs are definitely Warrior, Reaper, Sage, and summoner, but they can get old fast because they are designed really well.

[Shurrikhan]

Right now the fun jobs are definitely Warrior, Reaper, Sage, and Summoner, but they can get old fast because they are designed really well..

This would require defining "good design" by having little nuance....

[Colt47]

This would require defining "good design" by having little nuance....

The intent of the game is to let people play multiple different roles on the same character, so it's not like a lot of other games where you got lots of flex in one job. The polar opposite of this would be something like Path to Exile or World of Warcraft, where each job is unique and mastery of that singular job is paramount. I like those kinds of games but no way is FFXIV anything like them in that regard. That and over the years it seems there is a portion of the player base that mistakes nuance for an allowance of error that is irreconcilable without third party assistance and tools to rectify. There is no player agency in the selection of talents or skills with each job: Each job has a specific set of talents, skills, and power ups set by the designers. Thus, if a job is difficult to first understand or to return to, it needs more work. This is not to say there will never be challenge in learning such roles, but DRK and SMN from Shadowbringers were two such jobs that required a lot of dedication to manage. "Dedication to manage" being the gentlest terms I personally can muster on the subject.

[Mortex]

DRK are absolutely not an issue in expert roulette dungeons.
Obviously they don't have healing like the other 3 tanks but as long as they use cooldowns, you only have to use maybe a couple oGCDs more to keep them healthy.
When playing Sage, healing a DRK doesn't change anything in my playstyle, i just have to use a few oGCDs more inbetween my Dyskrasia spam. It actually give me a reason to use some of my abilities instead of just getting MPs back

Could be because sage is way better in situations we’re you need to heal a single target with krasis. Sage lvl was the most relaxed stuff I ever did on a healer even with a drk in my party and the moment I played a different healer I had actually problems, expect healing war. Like if you have optimal runs war heals half the amount a astro does and that’s pretty insane just because it does enable healer to deal way more dmg then they normally could.

[Shurrikhan]

The intent of the game is to let people play multiple different roles on the same character, so it's not like a lot of other games where you got lots of flex in one job. The polar opposite of this would be something like Path to Exile or World of Warcraft, where each job is unique and mastery of that singular job is paramount. I like those kinds of games but no way is FFXIV anything like them in that regard. That and over the years it seems there is a portion of the player base that mistakes nuance for an allowance of error that is irreconcilable without third party assistance and tools to rectify. There is no player agency in the selection of talents or skills with each job: Each job has a specific set of talents, skills, and power ups set by the designers. Thus, if a job is difficult to first understand or to return to, it needs more work. This is not to say there will never be challenge in learning such roles, but DRK and SMN from Shadowbringers were two such jobs that required a lot of dedication to manage. "Dedication to manage" being the gentlest terms I personally can muster on the subject.

None of your response answers why "Warrior, Reaper, Sage, and Summoner" would (uniquely) be examples of being "designed really well", let alone why a job that is "designed really well" would therefore "get old fast".

Requiring less effort to learn a job to the degree necessary for a 95th percentile parse, for instance, is not necessarily a good thing. While it may reduce the "dedication to manage" (which I think you greatly overestimate the periodic costs of) multiple jobs for one of them to be very simple, I don't see why that should necessarily be treated as the simpler job being better designed than the others.

Nor does Warrior provide any difference between available nuance and "allowance of error".

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tl;dr: I'd rather have enjoyable depth in individual jobs than arrive at depth only by ping-ponging between them as an omnileveler. I certainly don't find lower learning requirements as a purely good thing. To be intuitive is good. To be deep without being convoluted is good. But that's where the similarities end. As relevant here, I'd rather see a DRK with interesting, meaningful mechanics that cause it to play differently from other tanks that keep it simple and largely homogenous just to reduce the "dedication to manage" it within a line of lv90 tanks.