The future of SMN "egi glam"?

[Sheriyana]

If we were to get egi glams at this point I wouldn't want any of the old and smelly ARR primals we've fought in various forms 20 times already. Just have traits upgrade Ifrit, Titan and Garuda to Zurvan, Sephirot and Sophia, they'd translate pretty well to the old ones too in my opinion. I just really have no interest in seeing Leviathan, Ramuh or Shiva anymore, rather even have more recolor Carbuncles.

[Floortank]

So with the SMN rework that really leaves the future of "egi glam" a mystery. At this point I'm more than content to just use the carbuncle egi and have the other summons show up for the start of their rotations...but I would still like to eventually be able to summon Leviathan, Ramuh and Shiva (the classics) in some form.

Do we think SE is going to add reskins for the Titan, Garuda, Ifrit attacks (where the actual eidolon shows up for a second) or do we think the 7.0 rotation will feature attacks from Leviathan/Ramuh/Shiva.

I know it's too early to speculate on 7.0 really, but I just wish SE would be a little more transparent about this. The whole reason I ever wanted to play SMN was because Leviathan has always been my favorite FF summon and (pre-HW) I was expecting to be able to summon him in 3.0 and obviously that didn't happen so I just feel like I've been waiting for 8 years now with only breadcrumbs of news.

It'd be ghoulish to summon Shiva. That's our deceased friend... so no.

[aveyond-dreams]

And yet we summon Phoenix on a regular basis despite him being the grandfather of 2 of our closest allies who made the decision to prevent word of his transformation from getting out so people wouldn't summon him. If we can call him up, then there is no reason to gatekeep Shiva because of lore.

Shiva remains one of the more popular and iconic summons of the series and is a logical addition if 7.0 gives us Ramuh, Leviathan, and herself as our 2nd wave of gem summons. There is no other primal to take her place if they go with series classics such as those, only if we get the Warring Triad instead for our gem summons would it make sense to exclude her along with the others from ARR.

[Ath192]

It'd be ghoulish to summon Shiva. That's our deceased friend... so no.

Shiva is a primal, just because we know someone who summoned her doesn't mean she hasn't be summoned by others across the ages.

[Exodus-E]

It'd be ghoulish to summon Shiva. That's our deceased friend... so no.

• Egis/Trances/Demi-summons/etc. are not actual Primals. Just aetherial constructs based on the real things.

• Ysayle used herself as the host for her Primal (i.e. Shiva). In a way, Shiva could be seen as an alternate "form" of her (just like with King Thordan and Tsukuyomi).

• SMN can use Firebird Trance/Demi-Phoenix. The Primal it was based on (i.e. Phoenix) was originally manifested through Louisoix, so...

[TheMightyMollusk]

• SMN can use Firebird Trance/Demi-Phoenix. The Primal it was based on (i.e. Phoenix) was originally manifested through Louisoix, so...

Phoenix isn't manifested from Louisoix. Phoenix is Louisoix, turned into a primal.

It's also outright stated in the Final Coils that we should never, ever tell anyone about it, for fear of people praying to Phoenix for salvation and summoning Louisoix back from the grave. Yet now we do it every couple of minutes....

Summoner is our necromancer job.

[Exodus-E]

Phoenix isn't manifested from Louisoix. Phoenix is Louisoix, turned into a primal.

It's also outright stated in the Final Coils that we should never, ever tell anyone about it, for fear of people praying to Phoenix for salvation and summoning Louisoix back from the grave. Yet now we do it every couple of minutes....

Summoner is our necromancer job.

Once again:

• Egis/Trances/Demi-summons/etc. are not actual Primals. Just aetherial constructs based on the real things.

Thus, SMN's Firebird Trance/Demi-Phoenix is not Louisoix.

[TheMightyMollusk]

Primals are aetherial constructs to begin with, so the distinction is a bit blurry. And there is literally no lore behind Demi-Phoenix, since they stopped doing individual job stories by that point. I mean, if a player hasn't done the Final Coils, they technically shouldn't even know what Phoenix is, never mind be able to summon a copy of it.

[Exodus-E]

Primals are aetherial constructs to begin with, so the distinction is a bit blurry. And there is literally no lore behind Demi-Phoenix, since they stopped doing individual job stories by that point. I mean, if a player hasn't done the Final Coils, they technically shouldn't even know what Phoenix is, never mind be able to summon a copy of it.

Please (re-)do your SMN job quests.
They explicitly state that an Egi/Trance/etc. is created by harnessing the residual aether from a given Primal on dispersion (or from the environment if it still persists).

Thus, Egis/Trances/etc. are NOT actual Primals.
Just lesser separate constructs created and maintained by their user.

As for how a SMN is able to create a Firebird Trance, read this (official) interview, under "Why can Summoners call forth Phoenix?":
https://www.4gamer.net/games/199/G019924/20210810055/

[Raikai]

It's more like the rotation ends with phoenix. The filler phrase between phoenix to bahamut is really of no importance. Dying here doesn't put you back to step 1. Adding a non filler phrase after phoenix will make it a true 2min rotation again. Let's not forget that has always been a complaint about old smn in every expansion

My main concern with adding egis after phoenix is it will simply be flavor and do not have any difference from their bahamut counter parts. Imagine getting to level 100 and the only thing you get is animations....oh wait...

They can make it more interesting, adding unique mechanics to 3 new gemstones after phoenix but just having the dps more or less equal to the 1st half. Remember that potency is just a value that is adjustable regardless of the actual mechanics.