Does 14 Promote a Culture of Mediocrity?

[IdowhatIwant]

SenorPatty has the best piece of advice on this thread

"If one is perpetually disappointed with the playerbase in general, do you recluse yourself and finally decide to only do content with your peers of similar talent?"

Your measuring stick is high. You want the devs to change the game to exclude and gatekeep people who don't meet your measuring stick. Instead of taking actions that are in your power to take to surround yourself only with like-minded people.

I disagree, I don't think his advice is good at all. The player base deflects criticism consistently and that is a fact. People try to turn criticism into some sort of attack on who ever makes it by saying they are rude, trolling, or in your previous example a frequent thread maker. People don't criticize the game cause they want it to fail, they criticize the game because they enjoy the game but want more out of it.
If you look at the progression of this game we have lost much more than we gained with each expansion. So yes I want the devs to change the game but it has nothing to do with gatekeeping people or any sort of measuring stick. This formulaic BS is lacking.
I think having content that requires a little bit of effort from the players is better for the community as whole, not every one wants copy pasted dungeon design and class skills. Who wants to tank when there is no engaging mechanics to manage threat, you are basically playing a bad dps with a lot of defensive cool downs... Give it a couple more expansions DPS will just replace tanks, like warrior has replaced healers in some content if we continue down the path the game is going.

Given that 90% of the players are more likely mediocre players, it makes sense to make the game more accessible and enjoyable for them. There is still high end content if you want it.

I don't know, maybe I am being selfish when I ask for a little more than just four eight man boss fights every 6 months and a possible ultimate fight once an expansion for challenging content. It may take WoW a year to release a patch but hell they get an entire FF expansions worth of bosses per new challenging content patch.

[linayar]

The player base deflects criticism consistently and that is a fact.

The player base is not homogeneous. One player having criticism doesn't mean another player cannot disagree with the criticism.

It may take WoW a year to release a patch but hell they get an entire FF expansions worth of bosses per new challenging content patch.

It seems they are two different games catering to two different desires.

[TaleraRistain]

I disagree, I don't think his advice is good at all. The player base deflects criticism consistently and that is a fact. People try to turn criticism into some sort of attack on who ever makes it by saying they are rude, trolling, or in your previous example a frequent thread maker. People don't criticize the game cause they want it to fail, they criticize the game because they enjoy the game but want more out of it.
If you look at the progression of this game we have lost much more than we gained with each expansion. So yes I want the devs to change the game but it has nothing to do with gatekeeping people or any sort of measuring stick. This formulaic BS is lacking.

In Caurcas' case it is gatekeeping. Caurcas has more than once in many threads made it clear they see anyone who doesn't play to their exacting specifications as unworthy of playing this game and not only being bad at the game but being bad at life in general because they don't wish to get better in a video game.

So don't let their "I was just innocently asking X" type of attitude fool you.

Krotoan sums it up well a few comments back

"you are all plebs"

That's Caurcas's whole perspective in these threads.

[VelKallor]

The player base deflects criticism consistently and that is a fact.

I am perfectly happy to listen to any and all criticism and suggestions.

Then again, I am more likely to listen to someone who can offer such advice, when said person does so with respect and courtesy.

For me to want to listen to you, you need to convince me I want to hear what you have to say. Ever stop to think and ask yourself "If people arent willing to listen to me.....could I be the reason?"

[AbysmalDuck]

I am perfectly happy to listen to any and all criticism and suggestions.

Then again, I am more likely to listen to someone who can offer such advice, when said person does so with respect and courtesy.

For me to want to listen to you, you need to convince me I want to hear what you have to say. Ever stop to think and ask yourself "If people arent willing to listen to me.....could I be the reason?"

This 100%. Most of the people I run into trying to offer advice come at it from an angle of anger or annoyance. If you make it a friendly suggestion and it comes off as sincere, then I'll listen. "BLM, you aren't using "---" enough" doesn't come off as sincere.