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  1. #31
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    Seriously? Speaking about DRK’s sustainability again? How many times this misconception has to be brought up over and over and over and over again?

    DRK has the worst sustainability but doesn’t mean they’re BAD with it. The reason why they felt harder because sustainability wise they received little to no change from ShB compared to 3 other tanks. If you used to be able to heal DRK or any other tanks decently back in ShB (Heck, PLD was slightly harder to heal too -_-), you won’t have a problem healing a well played DRK in EW unless you’re just bad, plain bad; there’s no in-between there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne View Post
    Seriously? Speaking about DRK’s sustainability again? How many times this misconception has to be brought up over and over and over and over again?

    DRK has the worst sustainability but doesn’t mean they’re BAD with it. The reason why they felt harder because sustainability wise they received little to no change from ShB compared to 3 other tanks. If you used to be able to heal DRK or any other tanks decently back in ShB (Heck, PLD was slightly harder to heal too -_-), you won’t have a problem healing a well played DRK in EW unless you’re just bad, plain bad; there’s no in-between there.
    DRKs traditionally have always been a bit harder to heal in leveling content mostly because when they don't outgear content, TBN isn't as effective.

    But when they do, and have high HP totals, TBN becomes an absolute monster.

    Basically: The Blackest Night has been a crutch for DRKs since it's implementation and the job has suffered substantially since.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deceptus View Post
    DRKs traditionally have always been a bit harder to heal in leveling content mostly because when they don't outgear content, TBN isn't as effective.

    But when they do, and have high HP totals, TBN becomes an absolute monster.

    Basically: The Blackest Night has been a crutch for DRKs since it's implementation and the job has suffered substantially since.
    Unless your final comment here has nothing to do with the reasoning above it, this seems a simple rehash of "all jobs must scale about equally with gear and content" that homogenized Warrior's gear-based sustain (e.g., healing from damage-based self-heals) towards Paladin's content-based sustain (percentile mitigation) back in 2.0 -> 2.1, soon leading to DRK, on implementation, likewise copying over the majority of its defensive abilities from Paladin (for a slew of initial comments as to DRK being a "Messy-PLD w/o Cover and an invuln that can only delay death instead of preventing it").

    A tank doesn't necessarily "suffer" for producing its sustain in a different way; varying means of throughput just means that tuning is that much more complex, not impossible or so inefficient as to make that variance untenable.
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  4. #34
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    Mitigation and healing are not the same thing. There are specific conditions under which you can find equivalence, but that should be done with caution and not blindly. This is the reason why, although the game devs have separated out healers into 'pure healers' and 'shield healers', we are yet to see a healer job that only can cast shields (i.e. mitigation without healing). Er, we're all grateful that you've blocked a lot of damage there, but we're going to die on the next auto from pure attrition.
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    p2s has been cleared with 6 dps. PLD and SGE and no dancers, for those curious.
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  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Risvertasashi View Post
    p2s has been cleared with 6 dps. PLD and SGE and no dancers, for those curious.
    With enough gear, single healing savages is a pretty normal thing.
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    Veteran healers don't care if we need to heal, but right now we don't. We want interesting things to do during the downtime other than a 30s dot and a single filler spell that hasn't changed from lvl 4 to lvl 90.
    Dead DPS do no DPS. Raised DPS do 25/50% lower DPS. Do the mechanics and don't stand in bad stuff.
    Other games expect basic competence, FFXIV is pleasantly surprised by it. Other games have toxic elitism. FFXIV has toxic casualism.[/LIST]

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