Things that make you cringe?

[CeruleanArc]

and the other doesn't understand that the OP of it probably doesn't have the emotional faculties to understand that either.

I actually did consider this! His response to me surprised me. He got what I was saying, so I'm working on faith. Just like Yoshi P and my WoL would.

[CeruleanArc]

Y'know what I think is cringe? All the people who are supportive of people dressing female PCs in literal lingere by their own admittal of itbeing for "eye candy". Yet people are calling the guy who said that he doesn't like certain predominately female styles a misogynist.

[Nav_Fae]

I seriously can't believe people are defending the harassment as "it's just trolling" so that makes it okay? Just wow.

[ToastyKeen]

Y'know what I think is cringe? All the people who are supportive of people dressing female PCs in literal lingere by their own admittal of itbeing for "eye candy". Yet people are calling the guy who said that he doesn't like certain predominately female styles a misogynist.

There's a marked difference in the approach. One is allowing the other person to express themselves and finding enjoyment in it for yourself, and the other is being the fun police and poo-pooing other peoples self expression because you personally don't like it. I don't personally think it's misogynistic just to enjoy other peoples attire or think that it's sexy, where it becomes a problem is how those people treat the people who dress in certain ways.

If you're harassing people dressed a certain way well then; that's messed up. If you just quietly enjoy it, maybe compliment them on their outfit and then move on then can that really be called misogynistic? Can it really be called hatred, prejudice, or aversion to women?

Scummy? Maybe, it really depends on context. Misogynistic? Not really.

Meanwhile the King in Yellow up there's post was about I'd say 70% critical of "Female PCs" dressing in pretty much any way that didn't suit their personal preferences. And then like 10% critical of people expressing their gender identity through male characters in traditionally femme fashion. I'm not out to call this person a straight out Misogynist cause I don't know them, I've never interacted with him beyond this post. For all I know maybe he's actually a female player? Who knows, or really, who cares?

The message that they posted though does present a certain way, the way that they structured those words sort of presents itself in a sort of Misogynistic and possibly Transphobic way. I don't agree with harassment, or calling his glam ugly or whatever, but I do think it's fair to criticize that message for what it was, because lets be honest here the message does kind of have a "I hate women and people who dress like women" vibe to it.

Like I said, based on the one message I don't think the guy is a misogynist, I just think he needs to think about what he says before he says it. Cause that message is not doing him any favors at the moment.

[Yandere-chan]

Y'know what I think is cringe? All the people who are supportive of people dressing female PCs in literal lingere by their own admittal of itbeing for "eye candy". Yet people are calling the guy who said that he doesn't like certain predominately female styles a misogynist.

Not everyone has a sex negative mindset towards sexuality and sexual expression. I love putting myself in revealing outfits for my own self expression and the joys that come in embracing that, but also in pleasing others. I'm glad when others and myself can enjoy it together. This is in no way negative. Sex appeal is not akin to hatred, neither is sexual attraction. People can appreciate me both for my appearance and for who I am beyond my appearance. It's all an expression of who I am either way, and one aspect of me is not mutually exclusive to the other.

If someone isn't into it, that's fine too, we can just be and let be. It's better that everyone can dress how they want than any singular subjective standard be forced on everyone else. We are all different and it would purely be tyrannical for only one's tastes to be allowed. The people who would be at fault are those who are incapable of being tolerant of the aesthetic preferences of another. Tolerance is the cornerstone of a civil society. If we cannot tolerate our differences, we will be at each other's throats before long. So, by all means, dress as conservative as you whim. But, by the same measure, allow your fellow player to be as liberal with their clothing as they whim too. Be and let be.

[Gullis]

I'm guessing you're from the United States. So, first, this game was developed in Japan.



For example,



Second, even in the United States, the so-called bastion of free speech (for the bigoted, specifically),

Well im not so heyho

[Lauront]

Yes, yes, you said that already. You're better than everyone, we get it. Thank you for your contribution, Lahabrea.

Considering the state of this thread, Lahabrea dropping a big hefty dose of Ultima is just what it needs.

[Gullis]

I figured you might not have gotten it, given your response. I'll elucidate.

People got hurt by his post because it was hurtful to many people. Many, many people. Numbering at least in the hundreds, given how far the post has spread. Most of these people were women, which makes sense, since his post mostly addressed them and feminine men. You may not find that significant, but that's your problem, not mine.



Aw man! You almost got to the point where you experienced empathy for people unlike you, but ya backed away from it.



This is a problem with your perception. You don't see a problem with what he said, so you don't identify it as hate. You have a problem with what we said, so you do. In the world of psychology, we call this bias, and bias not a good source of information for anyone.



I want you to think about this statement, and ask yourself how amusing you would actually find a butthurt child. Because that would say a lot about you. Me, I tend to think children should never be anally raped, and when it happens all too often in the United States I get really upset about it, but I guess I'm one of those crazy people who spew hate, so...you know...

*rolls eyes*

Yikes. Thats all I can say to all of that.

[Vahlnir]

People got hurt by his post because it was hurtful to many people. Many, many people. Numbering at least in the hundreds, given how far the post has spread. Most of these people were women, which makes sense, since his post mostly addressed them and feminine men. You may not find that significant, but that's your problem, not mine.[/I]

Yep. This is the heart of the issue. And while I still do sympathize to a degree (mainly in regards to most of the Twitter shaming and all of the in-game harassment of their FC and maybe their friends) I do think think that they would have benefitted from saying "Look, I said a thing. I'm sorry if I offended people." or something similar. But instead they doubled down, which garners a lot less sympathy from me in general. Normally I can respect someone accepting themselves for who they are and not caring about what other people think, but...not so much in this case. Once something is sent out to the internet, you can't take it back. That goes for anything. Facebook, game forums, Twitter, etc. If something you are about to say has the potential to offend a lot of people, it's usually best to leave it unsaid.

[Seymour_Rainecourt]

On the matter of yellow, I must wholeheartedly agree. And so does my bun alt. (More leg than you say you like, but I think we've established that I don't care about that. )

That is a bit too much skin for my personal taste, but it's always fun to spot the ever-elusive yellow-clad female character. You look great! ;D