Things that make you cringe?

[CeruleanArc]

Flattery will get you nowhere.Never said i was better than anyone though, it seems like you’re projecting and insinuating because i disagree with some of the aggressive comments made by many posters in here.

Sir! Sir. I may be projecting--I do think I'm somewhat better than misogynists, which is honestly something of a low bar, as I clear it even with my remarkably low self-esteem serving as a disadvantage--but I insinuate nothing. I happen to have said it very explicitly. :P

Personally, i think people need to stop trying to name call or label someone based on a social media interaction. It just makes you(not specifically you anyone in general)look childish, as we know nothing about each other irl.

I think that people with privilege like to infantilize the people they anger with their words and actions because it makes it easier to continue using those words and engaging in those actions if there is no legitimate source of opposition. I find that super gross. Just as Mr. Seymour has the right to have a bad opinion, the people he angered with it have a right to express that anger.

I have ADHD, so I have accidentally angered many people in my life. I find that making fun of angry people and calling them children doesn't make them any less angry. Weird, I know, but it's true. For me, an apology really works best. Like, if I have a shitty opinion--and I have had quite a few in my life--I will sometimes go back and think about it, realize that there are other points of view than mine and maybe I've been an ass about expressing my own, and then I apologize while demonstrating that I know what I did wrong and that I plan to do better.

Surprisingly, this actually makes the angry people less angry. Having learned that, this is now my strategy. It could work for Seymour, too, but I can't say. I'm not actually an apology expert like the folks at SorryWatch, so this is the limit of my knowledge.

[Lauront]

Yes, yes, you said that already. You're better than everyone, we get it. Thank you for your contribution, Lahabrea.

Considering the state of this thread, Lahabrea dropping a big hefty dose of Ultima is just what it needs.

[SteelGriffin]

What in the everliving hell did I just read? This thread as I whole I mean.

[Zysets]

Honestly, everyone, including those defending the guy, are making mountains out of molehills. His post was dumb but not brigade worthy, I doubt the other person who posted it on twitter thought it would be such a big post, they probably shouldn't have posted it honestly, but at the same time when did harassment come into play? He's made no mention of people bothering him in game or anything, the replies to the twitter posts being "nasty" basically amount to "what a bad take, look my character I don't care what he thinks, he has an ugly glam too" which is kind of what he also did in the first place?
Like if someone HAS tracked this guy down in game to give him shit that's a big nono and I wholly condemn that, but that hasn't seemed to be the case, not to mention people are straight up posting misinfo here like saying "4channers are planning to harass him", I looked through all the /xivg/ threads on /vg/, no one even posted the forum post until *after* it was pointed out no one did in here, which it got a few sarcastic replies agreeing with him and calling him "based", and was soon forgotten. I wouldn't doubt it was someone looking at this thread who did finally post it on /xivg/ hoping they would make a big deal out of it just to help drum up more drama.

This whole thing is really people on both sides of this argument really wanting to build up the drama, and then you wonder why twitter accounts that post stuff from these forums exist. If I feel bad for the guy it's not just because the twitter posts at this point. You're all really just helping perpetuate this guy staying in the conversation regardless if you're being critical of him or defending him at this point. Let it go, let it rest, people will forget in less than a day as long as people just leave it be, if anyone actually goes after him he's entirely in the right to report them.

[Nav_Fae]

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It's not misinformation. It's there and a little of everywhere. See this comment:

Saw this thread posted on twitter, Reddit, and linked in like 6 different discords

As for tracking him out and harassment. We literally had a Lalafell openly admit two hours ago on this thread that they targetted him because it's fun. Willing and happy to get banned over it.

Can we stop pretending like things are being exaggerated when the information is right in front of us.

[Gullis]

(Continued from https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post5831713 )


Who gives him that right?

Why do the people who disagree with him not have the same right?

I find it kind of amusing when people regurgitate culturally-specific norms and idioms like they're universal rules that apply to all species in the universe at all times. Amusing, but in like a tragic way. Kind of like the time I got into a car accident with this guy who ran a stop light and I broke my hand without it having impacted anything. Like, wtf, hand? You broke because you got nervous or something? (It was probably the strength with which I held onto the wheel to keep from being moved by the force of the accident, but still. Weird, and lol, but also ow, and sad face.)

freedom of speech and all that. I never said people can't disagree, so I dont get your point? I just found it amusing that so many people got so hurt by his post, that they had to start spew personal insults, and stalk the guy. I assume its people who does the very thing thing he dislikes (which in my experience from playing the game is a very large portion of the playerbase too), so they feel personally insulted for ??? reason. These days you can't open your mouth without offending some group of people.

Spewing hate towards him or his glam is not disagreeing. its being a butthurt child

[CeruleanArc]

freedom of speech and all that.

I'm guessing you're from the United States. So, first, this game was developed in Japan.

Article 21 of Japan’s constitution prohibits censorship and protects freedom of “speech, press and all other forms of expression,” as well as the “secrecy of any means of communication.” In general, individuals and the media can exercise this in practice, though social and legal constraints exist.

For example,

the Customs Act prohibits the importation of books that are “detrimental to public security or corrupt public morals.” However, this concerns freedom of speech as the right to receive information from foreign books in Japan. Moreover, in local ordinances, there are statutes that regulate “harmful books”—books that are obscene, cruel, or promote crime (ordinances regarding “the Healthy Development of Youths”)—and the sale and means of sale.

Second, even in the United States, the so-called bastion of free speech (for the bigoted, specifically),

free speech is not absolute – US law does recognize a number of important restrictions to free speech. These include obscenity, fraud, child pornography, harassment, incitement to illegal conduct and imminent lawless action, true threats, and commercial speech such as advertising, copyright or patent rights.

[CeruleanArc]

I never said people can't disagree, so I dont get your point? I just found it amusing that so many people got so hurt by his post, that they had to start spew personal insults, and stalk the guy.

I figured you might not have gotten it, given your response. I'll elucidate.

People got hurt by his post because it was hurtful to many people. Many, many people. Numbering at least in the hundreds, given how far the post has spread. Most of these people were women, which makes sense, since his post mostly addressed them and feminine men. You may not find that significant, but that's your problem, not mine.

I assume its people who does the very thing thing he dislikes (which in my experience from playing the game is a very large portion of the playerbase too), so they feel personally insulted for ??? reason. These days you can't open your mouth without offending some group of people.

Aw man! You almost got to the point where you experienced empathy for people unlike you, but ya backed away from it.

Spewing hate towards him or his glam is not disagreeing.

This is a problem with your perception. You don't see a problem with what he said, so you don't identify it as hate. You have a problem with what we said, so you do. In the world of psychology, we call this bias, and bias not a good source of information for anyone.

its being a butthurt child

I want you to think about this statement, and ask yourself how amusing you would actually find a butthurt child. Because that would say a lot about you. Me, I tend to think children should never be anally raped, and when it happens all too often in the United States I get really upset about it, but I guess I'm one of those crazy people who spew hate, so...you know...

*rolls eyes*

[Gullis]

I figured you might not have gotten it, given your response. I'll elucidate.

People got hurt by his post because it was hurtful to many people. Many, many people. Numbering at least in the hundreds, given how far the post has spread. Most of these people were women, which makes sense, since his post mostly addressed them and feminine men. You may not find that significant, but that's your problem, not mine.



Aw man! You almost got to the point where you experienced empathy for people unlike you, but ya backed away from it.



This is a problem with your perception. You don't see a problem with what he said, so you don't identify it as hate. You have a problem with what we said, so you do. In the world of psychology, we call this bias, and bias not a good source of information for anyone.



I want you to think about this statement, and ask yourself how amusing you would actually find a butthurt child. Because that would say a lot about you. Me, I tend to think children should never be anally raped, and when it happens all too often in the United States I get really upset about it, but I guess I'm one of those crazy people who spew hate, so...you know...

*rolls eyes*

Yikes. Thats all I can say to all of that.

[Vahlnir]

People got hurt by his post because it was hurtful to many people. Many, many people. Numbering at least in the hundreds, given how far the post has spread. Most of these people were women, which makes sense, since his post mostly addressed them and feminine men. You may not find that significant, but that's your problem, not mine.[/I]

Yep. This is the heart of the issue. And while I still do sympathize to a degree (mainly in regards to most of the Twitter shaming and all of the in-game harassment of their FC and maybe their friends) I do think think that they would have benefitted from saying "Look, I said a thing. I'm sorry if I offended people." or something similar. But instead they doubled down, which garners a lot less sympathy from me in general. Normally I can respect someone accepting themselves for who they are and not caring about what other people think, but...not so much in this case. Once something is sent out to the internet, you can't take it back. That goes for anything. Facebook, game forums, Twitter, etc. If something you are about to say has the potential to offend a lot of people, it's usually best to leave it unsaid.