[SPOILERS] Hermes is a hypocrite.

[SentioftheHoukai]

They're both massive hypocrites. But then, so is nearly every other major character in the story. The WoL is quite a hypocrite themselves.

Yes, I find this a poignant and quite amusing point given the circumstances. That is precisely why we mortals hate hypocrites so acutely, for who do you think they remind us so strongly of? The answer? Us.

Do we really need to do the "Venat is awful" thing in every single thread?

I apologize in advance for being petty, and yet I feel rather strongly this must be said.

Do we really need to do the "Emet-Selch and also every ancient ever (barring our lovely mommy Venat, of course) is the worst thing since Archon loaf" in every thread?

I wasn't in the forums for Stormblood, but I feel like those perspectives in Stormblood were... rather different. At that point the line of 'Ascians and Garleans bad' was pretty simplistically put forward and not really refuted in the text, because the Pathos Trains hadn't come into the station yet. At that point it was like saying 'Nazis bad'; not exactly controversial.

The 'Venat bad' argument is just brutally simplifying and ignoring a genuine debate for... I dunno, the sake of being contrarian?

No. No it is most certainly not. Every life has the right to fight for their lives, she took that away prematurely. In the end, her outcome worked out better the Emet's would have but if given the choice between the man who wants to restore life and the woman who told you all this shite about how she loved all life everywhere and then proceeded to give up on said life the moment we fucked off back to the future I'd choose him.

A number of very strong reasons for this opinion have been put forward in the numerous debates over the subject throughout various threads. Only a handful of posters are just going "lol Venat bad," while the rest have made excellent points.

Yes, it is rather intriguing that the Venat party is claiming reductionism on the side of their opponents and then proceeding to use reductionist reasoning to belittle the arguments the other side has made.