The Reasoning behind The Sundering? (*6.0 Endwalker Spoilers*)

[Jandor]

I mean... we have Edda and Thordin and Ala Mhigo's old king, Zenos, there's others... if we're judging a faction based on how many unstable folk are in it, we aren't looking too good ourselves. This isn't getting into how many people turned into Blasphemies because they were (like Hermes) at the depths of their despair, anger, or sorrow.

Yeah we don't do much better, I doubt that had much bearing on Venat's decision to not tell the Convocation about Meteion though.

Our unstable folk don't threaten all life in the Universe either, we can afford to be a little unstable.

[EaraGrace]

How would knowing of Meteion make things make sense when they still agreed to the Sundering and leave everything up to the gamble that some person in the future will solve the problem?

Explaining the events of Elpis does not mean leaving everything to a gamble. Hydaelyn would still be an active presence helping to lead those willing to “fight for the morrow” towards Meteion. And Venat made clear before we left Elpis that she isn’t just hoping we turn up, but will be actively fighting for the best outcome in all possible situations.





[QUOTE=vehere;5828727] There was absolutely no mention of Meteion or that "there's a mysterious energy coming from outer space coming from a bird girl making our powers go nuts" in Anyder.[QUOTE]

It was a millennia old recording buried under the sea. It’s not going to be comprehensive.

It's very clear that they only knew it to be something coming from within the ground, that somehow the aether was weakening. The recording at Anyder shows not that they don't believe Zodiark hasn't fixing things but that they think the effort to return to normal isn't right at the expense of other life.

That’s not what the recording shows though, they don’t mention the sacrifice at all in that conversation.

And even if they did know, then the Convocation would have found out too, wouldn't they? Unless you're suggesting Venat told her group to not tell the Convocation about Meteion's existence so they could do the Sundering unimpeded?

The Sundering certainly didn’t go unimpeded, the battle between Hydaelyn and Zodiark raged for some time before the desperate final blow was struck. And yes I do believe she told them why she thinks they shouldn’t tell the Convocation, for the very same reasons she herself didn’t tell them.

Because if they did know, and if they did decide that trying to pursue Meteion was just too hard for them, then they're just as bad as the Convocation. Giving up so that someone else will hopefully fix the problems.

Saying the current path is untenable, and taking drastic action, is not exactly giving up. Remember Venat and her faction don’t seem to distinguish between the Sundered and Unsundered like the Ascians do, to them mankind succeeded.

[KizuyaKatogami]

To be fair, considering how Hesperos is obsessed with him to a Tempering level, it already doesn't look good for how sane he is, since he may have accidentally or purposefully created Tempering, or at least that's how it looks right now. Though we'll find out at least at 6.2 for the next part of the raid story.

This is interesting to me though because, based on Elidibus’ memories at least, Lahabrea was sane enough to still go out and care about Elidibus’ well-being when he too was working himself too hard. So he couldn’t have been that far gone unless they forgot about that or retconned it lol

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Nothing there says they knew it was Meteion or the actual source of the Sound. Unless the Japanese version says "Meteion is at the end of the universe, Singing our despair into existence", your quotes don't support your position at all. In fact they directly contradict you, since they aren't saying "this is the fault of outside sources, specifically Hermes escaped creation called Meteion", they're saying "Zodiark isn't enough to stop our doom", but they don't mention anything about it being because of Meteion's song.

If anything it seems Venat just told the Convocation "hey guys Zodiark isn't enough to stop our doom" "why not?" "because he's just not. Trust me bro, I'm Venat." "I mean can you give us an actual reason?" "No, I don't need to. You just need to listen to me."

Yeah we don't do much better, I doubt that had much bearing on Venat's decision to not tell the Convocation about Meteion though.

Our unstable folk don't threaten all life in the Universe either, we can afford to be a little unstable.

Well, I guess Zenos is like 10% Seymour Guado (with the obsessive stalking and coming back from death to continue stalking us). So we're going to need to find our own Sephiroth and Kuja at some point.

And then there was Xande who wanted to either destroy the world and/or take out the entire universe with him because of his nihilism but luckily the WoL doesn't need to deal with him except when farming tomestones.

Or rather what I'm saying is that this is a Final Fantasy game I 100% expect we're going to get another big bad who threatens existence again in a future expansion lol

[EaraGrace]

Nothing there says they knew it was Meteion or the actual source of the Sound. Unless the Japanese version says "Meteion is at the end of the universe, Singing our despair into existence", your quotes don't support your position at all. In fact they directly contradict you, since they aren't saying "this is the fault of outside sources, specifically Hermes escaped creation called Meteion", they're saying "Zodiark isn't enough to stop our doom", but they don't mention anything about it being because of Meteion's song.

First, let’s agree that those at the meeting did indeed say Zodiark wasn’t a permanent solution and that they weren’t saying:

The recording at Anyder shows not that they don't believe Zodiark hasn't fixing things but that they think the effort to return to normal isn't right at the expense of other life.

And if you’re looking for a direct quote from a member of Venats faction saying the word Meteion, then yes you’re not going to get one. My point was that they clearly knew more than simply that they shouldn’t sacrifice more lives. When combined with Venats statements as we leave Elpis





Then we’re left with several clear facts.

1. Venat intended to recruit a group of trusted confidants to help with the fight against Meteion
2. The group that met at Anyder knew that Zodiark was not a solution to the Final Days despite him halting all signs of it
3. This group would summon Hydaelyn and Sunder Zodiark and Etheirys
4. There’s no evidence that any of Venats group were unwilling to commit to the present course and in fact accepted the “eternal condemnation of their brethren.”

Thus, we have reason to believe the group knew more than most of the events surrounding the Final Days, and that they were prepared to face their brethren's wrath.

If anything it seems Venat just told the Convocation "hey guys Zodiark isn't enough to stop our doom" "why not?" "because he's just not. Trust me bro, I'm Venat." "I mean can you give us an actual reason?" "No, I don't need to. You just need to listen to me."

I think it’s likely she was a bit more diplomatic then this tbf.

[Erendis]

This is interesting to me though because, based on Elidibus’ memories at least, Lahabrea was sane enough to still go out and care about Elidibus’ well-being when he too was working himself too hard. So he couldn’t have been that far gone unless they forgot about that or retconned it lol

It does not seem likely that old Lahabrea, who did not care much about his son, would somehow care about Elidibus. It is much more likely that Erichtionios, who met Elidibus in Pandaemonium and thus came to care about him, is our Lahabrea.

[Rosenstrauch]

It does not seem likely that old Lahabrea, who did not care much about his son, would somehow care about Elidibus. It is much more likely that Erichtionios, who met Elidibus in Pandaemonium and thus came to care about him, is our Lahabrea.

The problem with that is that, per Emet-Selch, the Lahabrea who was eaten by Thordan was the same Lahabrea who created Phoinix. Erichthonius sucks at using any magic at all, with the only notable exception being the sealing magic used in Pandaemonium.

[KizuyaKatogami]

The problem with that is that, per Emet-Selch, the Lahabrea who was eaten by Thordan was the same Lahabrea who created Phoinix. Erichthonius sucks at using any magic at all, with the only notable exception being the sealing magic used in Pandaemonium.

Yep exactly my point. It’s why a lot of this doesn’t add up and that completely refutes the erich is our lahabrea theory.

[RyuDragnier]

Yep exactly my point. It’s why a lot of this doesn’t add up and that completely refutes the erich is our lahabrea theory.

It does however, make it likely that The Watcher is based on Erich, since The Watcher was skilled only with sealing magic.

[Jandor]

Well, I guess Zenos is like 10% Seymour Guado (with the obsessive stalking and coming back from death to continue stalking us). So we're going to need to find our own Sephiroth and Kuja at some point.

And then there was Xande who wanted to either destroy the world and/or take out the entire universe with him because of his nihilism but luckily the WoL doesn't need to deal with him except when farming tomestones.

Or rather what I'm saying is that this is a Final Fantasy game I 100% expect we're going to get another big bad who threatens existence again in a future expansion lol

To be fair, Venat likely wouldn't have told Zenos or Xande about Meteion either.